If you built a time machine

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
And the notion of responsibility is quite straight forward. That's one of the first things you teach a child when they're old enough to understand.

Things aren't thought perfectly nor are as simple as when we speak to children 😛

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
You decide you want to have children or even own a pet. There's no grey area of objective that you can argue that you don't have to be responsible for its welfare & upbringing.

But we don't extend that kind of rights to things we actually create. Even animals that are just for food don't receive proper treatment from people that get money from them.

I agree that our morality supposes there is some responsability even towards the abstract things we create (so they aren't used in a negative fashion), but this is why I find the idea interesting. Even assuming our nature is very different to that of God, a degree of responsability is still to be expected.

The example I'm using is my own son being old enough now to have a pet he can call his own. He feeds it, cleans its cage out & interacts with it. He also gives his pet the companionship of being a caring & loving owner.

Now God (supposedly) created us. And if that's the case he basically just left us with a book of instructions & let us fend for ourselves.
He could give us a peaceful utopia to live in & in exchange we praise him & give thanks but that's not the case isn't it?

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
Now God (supposedly) created us. And if that's the case he basically just left us with a book of instructions & let us fend for ourselves.
He could give us a peaceful utopia to live in & in exchange we praise him & give thanks but that's not the case isn't it?

But then what about our responsability? The idea of an utopia lacking treats, as if other animals or elements should be under our thumb and were not creations of God themselves is still a very human-centric concept.

Originally posted by Bentley
But then what about our responsability? The idea of an utopia lacking treats, as if other animals or elements should be under our thumb and were not creations of God themselves is still a very human-centric concept.

How exactly can we know what our responsibilities are without the intervention of God?

He left us with a bible that is basically so outdated it has very little relevance to society today. A bible that can either be interpreted literally or broadly in a general sense to justify one's actions.

No where has he given us an updated version factoring on modern day society nor has he shown compassion or punished the evil.

In this sense, how is mankind supposed to gauge their own responsibilities?

We assume we have responsabilities over other animals and entities, at least as a concept they are a reality to us. They come from a subjective place and are far from self-justified though.

The crux of morality is learning exactly how much responsability we can encompass within our possible actions. Considering how complex our eco-system and society is, having a dumbed down version of responsability fluxes isn't necesarily the best solution (you can argue that's exactly the problem with scripture based religions).

Totally agree.

And in this instance there really is no need of God or any religion for that matter.