Kylo Ren vs prequel Obi-wan Kenobi

It's almost as if he took a bowcaster bolt to the side prior to the start of the fight. A weapon, that I might add, was hyped up constantly throughout the film.

And it's not exactly like that fight ended well for Finn in anyways.

And again, if were taking ROTS Kenobi, he beats down Kylo pretty solidly. Kylo Ren was a big fish in a small pond, a powerful force user when there were basically no other force users, people like Maul, Sidious, Vader, Kenobi, Yoda etc, were all top level force users when the galaxy was full of them.

Obi Wan would absolutely ruin Ren. He lost to someone who literally had a light saber in their hands for the first time.

Ren is an insult to every sith, ever.

Originally posted by Arachnid1
To be fair, Kylo Ren was stomping the shit out of her when they started the fight. He probably could have even killed her if he continued to force her backwards off the cliff, but he stopped to try to turn her to the dark side by reminding her of the force. In that moment, she seemed to make some kind of connection to the force and all of a sudden got stronger and faster to the point where she stomped the hell out of Kylo Ren.

I'm reasonably sure the only reason she won that fight was a connection to the force. Without it, Kylo Ren was absolutely handling her.

Then again, that storm trooper put up a fight against him, which is not an impressive showing at all.

Even if everything you say is true, it's still a very poor showing for him. He lost to somebody who wasn't even a Padawan yet, and even if we buy into the (she has a strong connection to the force) than we'd have to take that to its logical conclusion... which still isn't good for Kylo. In other words, his force potential is always below here...

This whole confusion is down to the Inconcsistency in Force powers this movie has shown us, and forcing in a Saber battle into the film that really should never have happened.

Obi wan

This film is proving to be pretty divisive.