Originally posted by quanchi112
See what I mean you can't answer the question because you're a shitty debater. In the one instance he was aware of his foe he let her shoot. I use evidence to back my claims.Khan won to get his crew back. He later kicked the shit out of Kirk in a fight you idiot. You're awful.
He wanted Rey alive. Again context is not your friend.
Khan submitted like a weak feeb. We don't need no context just like with Chewie and Poe firing a shot
Originally posted by juggermanHe still didn't force freeze her right away. He eventually did but never has he done it right out of the hate.
He wanted Rey alive. Again context is not your friend.Khan submitted like a weak feeb. We don't need no context just like with Chewie and Poe firing a shot
Khan gave himself up and Kirk came to him for his aid. Amazing. Rey resisted Kylo and made him throw a hissy. 😂
I don't ignore evidence but at no point does he ever force freeze before a shot is fired. Evidence talks, nerd.
Originally posted by quanchi112
He still didn't force freeze her right away. He eventually did but never has he done it right out of the hate.Khan gave himself up and Kirk came to him for his aid. Amazing. Rey resisted Kylo and made him throw a hissy. 😂
I don't ignore evidence but at no point does he ever force freeze before a shot is fired. Evidence talks, nerd.
He still did it. He has no reason to delay especially when he's actively trying to kill Khan. Force freeze for the win
Khan quit. Stop trying to add context when you wanted to ignore it elsewhere. Stay consistent for once in your life boy.
Rey resisting doesn't affect this match so another pointless post from you
Originally posted by juggermanSo you want to pretend he does so first when force freezing her at first doesn't change the end result of him force freezing her.
He still did it. He has no reason to delay especially when he's actively trying to kill Khan. Force freeze for the winKhan quit. Stop trying to add context when you wanted to ignore it elsewhere. Stay consistent for once in your life boy.
Rey resisting doesn't affect this match so another pointless post from you
Khan still won a fight he didn't throw a punch. Finn injured Kylo. Kinda weak even with the injury. Why didn't he foresee freeze him ?
Rey whipped his ass too. He lost while armed and badly to her.
You can't dismiss the evidence because you're a fanboy. At no point does he ever force freeze first. Ever. 😂
Originally posted by quanchi112
So you want to pretend he does so first when force freezing her at first doesn't change the end result of him force freezing her.Khan still won a fight he didn't throw a punch. Finn injured Kylo. Kinda weak even with the injury. Why didn't he foresee freeze him ?
Rey whipped his ass too. He lost while armed and badly to her.
You can't dismiss the evidence because you're a fanboy. At no point does he ever force freeze first. Ever. 😂
So you're saying this is a turned based game where Ren has to attack second? Guess Khan can't fire his guns until the Enterprise crew is surrounded too. Force freeze for the win
Khan quit and allowed himself to get captured. If they wanted to kill him they could have easily. So he'll submit to Ren and hope to escape later. Sounds good
He toyed with Fin. Sure if he toyed with Khan, while having a hole blown in his side then sure Khan might be able to take a win or two
He force pushed Rey and KO'd her instantly. Guess you forgot about that part too. Force push for the win
Never once does Khan fire his big guns until he can sneak attack. Since he can't sneak attack here, he won't fire. I can do this all day 👆
Originally posted by juggermanI am saying Khan fires first consistently against his foes. Kylo doesn't force freeze first at any point in the entire film.
So you're saying this is a turned based game where Ren has to attack second? Guess Khan can't fire his guns until the Enterprise crew is surrounded too. Force freeze for the winKhan quit and allowed himself to get captured. If they wanted to kill him they could have easily. So he'll submit to Ren and hope to escape later. Sounds good
He toyed with Fin. Sure if he toyed with Khan, while having a hole blown in his side then sure Khan might be able to take a win or two
He force pushed Rey and KO'd her instantly. Guess you forgot about that part too. Force push for the win
Never once does Khan fire his big guns until he can sneak attack. Since he can't sneak attack here, he won't fire. I can do this all day 👆
Khan manipulated despite being captured. He later beat the **** out of Kirk.
Finn still injured him so he ****ed up because he didn't intend on being grazed by the lightsaber. He didn't forc freeze him either and got hit by a much slower attack and an untrained light saber user.
i agree Rey was hit hard and ko'd meaning she wasn't at her best after she came to later own Ren. Khan's cellular regeneration has tanked far better than a force push into a tree.
The Klingons were engaged in the battle. He shot first on the entire battlefield. He shot mid battle you dummy. Kylo had his Stormtroopers secure the bulk of the resistance there. Must be nice to run around with squadrons of Stormtroopers to have your back while Khan did it alone.
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Originally posted by quanchi112
I am saying Khan fires first consistently against his foes. Kylo doesn't force freeze first at any point in the entire film.Khan manipulated despite being captured. He later beat the **** out of Kirk.
Finn still injured him so he ****ed up because he didn't intend on being grazed by the lightsaber. He didn't forc freeze him either and got hit by a much slower attack and an untrained light saber user.
i agree Rey was hit hard and ko'd meaning she wasn't at her best after she came to later own Ren. Khan's cellular regeneration has tanked far better than a force push into a tree.
The Klingons were engaged in the battle. He shot first on the entire battlefield. He shot mid battle you dummy. Kylo had his Stormtroopers secure the bulk of the resistance there. Must be nice to run around with squadrons of Stormtroopers to have your back while Khan did it alone.
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He fired on unsuspecting foes. They were concentrated on the Enterprise crew when Khan attacked. Khan will have no distraction to take advantage of here and therefore will not fire
Khan submitted. Canon.
He was also injured and toying with Fin. Are you of the assumption that Ren at 100% and trying to kill Fin would have been grazed? If not then your point is moot
So you agree that Ren can and has attacked first? Glorious 😂
Khan waited to open fire until his target was focused on a third party. There is no third party here therefore Khan won't attack first. Don't ignore movie canon
Originally posted by juggermanThey were firing on Khan as well. We see Khan trio some and fire onto some right next to him. Did you see the film ? The enterprise crew watched in awe while he took them down.
He fired on unsuspecting foes. They were concentrated on the Enterprise crew when Khan attacked. Khan will have no distraction to take advantage of here and therefore will not fireKhan submitted. Canon.
He was also injured and toying with Fin. Are you of the assumption that Ren at 100% and trying to kill Fin would have been grazed? If not then your point is moot
So you agree that Ren can and has attacked first? Glorious 😂
Khan waited to open fire until his target was focused on a third party. There is no third party here therefore Khan won't attack first. Don't ignore movie canon
Khan wanted to save his crew. Khan won a fight against Kirk without even fighting back. Amazing.
He got injured by Finn. A stormtrooper beat his ass with saber. Why didn't Kylo force freeze him ? He didn't kill Finn either. 😂
Yes, a force push but she came back and whipped his ass.
Has Ren ever force frozen anyone he didn't want to later interrogate ?
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Feel the context suffocating you.
How does that feel ?
Originally posted by quanchi112
They were firing on Khan as well. We see Khan trio some and fire onto some right next to him. Did you see the film ? The enterprise crew watched in awe while he took them down.
Are you saying he didn't only begin attacking the Klingons when they were distracted? I can post the clip for you if you'd like.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Khan wanted to save his crew. Khan won a fight against Kirk without even fighting back. Amazing.
Khan submitted. Canon.
Originally posted by quanchi112
He got injured by Finn. A stormtrooper beat his ass with saber. Why didn't Kylo force freeze him ? He didn't kill Finn either. 😂
I see you avoided my question. Concession accepted
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, a force push but she came back and whipped his ass.
So Ren can and does attack first. Thanks for another concession
Originally posted by quanchi112
Has Ren ever force frozen anyone he didn't want to later interrogate ?
Has Khan ever used those big guns on anything besides Klingons?
Originally posted by quanchi112
😂Feel the context suffocating you.
How does that feel ?
Context has never been your friend.
Originally posted by juggermanI am saying he didn't kill all of the Klingons before they could return fire. They got eight more Klingons mid battle. Should I post the clip ? In a battle someone has to fire first, dummy.
Are you saying he didn't only begin attacking the Klingons when they were distracted? I can post the clip for you if you'd like.Khan submitted. Canon.
I see you avoided my question. Concession accepted
So Ren can and does attack first. Thanks for another concession
Has Khan ever used those big guns on anything besides Klingons?
Context has never been your friend.
Khan still won the fight without fighting back. Kylo lost to a girl. 😂
You just avoided my question. Why didn't Kylo force freeze Finn ? 😂
With a force push not a force freeze, sure. I never said he couldn't attack first I said he never force froze anyone first. Pay attention, kid.
Klingon ships. 😂
Has Ren ever stopped more than one blast being fired at him ?
Originally posted by quanchi112
I am saying he didn't kill all of the Klingons before they could return fire. They got eight more Klingons mid battle. Should I post the clip ? In a battle someone has to fire first, dummy.
So you admit he didn't begin his attack until the target was distracted. Good good. Well seeing as Ren won't be distracted, Khan won't attack. Quan logic 101
Originally posted by quanchi112
Khan still won the fight without fighting back. Kylo lost to a girl. 😂
Khan submitted. Canon. And I seem to recall Uhura putting a hurting on Khan but of course let's just skim past that little detail
Originally posted by quanchi112
You just avoided my question. Why didn't Kylo force freeze Finn ? 😂
That was already answered, He was toying with Fin. To go even deeper since you need the scene spelled out for you like a buffoon, Ren toyed with Fin because Fin was a traitor and cost them everything they worked for. He won't be toying with Khan
Originally posted by quanchi112
With a force push not a force freeze, sure. I never said he couldn't attack first I said he never force froze anyone first. Pay attention, kid.
So he can and does attack first. Check.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Klingon ships. 😂
Anything else? Humans maybe?
Originally posted by quanchi112
Has Ren ever stopped more than one blast being fired at him ?
Kinda hard to fire more than one shot when you are force frozen
Originally posted by juggermanHe didn't just have one target. There were multiple Klingons. Kylo Ren had the Stormtroopers secure the space before he even exited his ship. That's weak. He let his troops secure the area. He also had his troops accompany him. Get the facts straight.
So you admit he didn't begin his attack until the target was distracted. Good good. Well seeing as Ren won't be distracted, Khan won't attack. Quan logic 101Khan submitted. Canon. And I seem to recall Uhura putting a hurting on Khan but of course let's just skim past that little detail
That was already answered, He was toying with Fin. To go even deeper since you need the scene spelled out for you like a buffoon, Ren toyed with Fin because Fin was a traitor and cost them everything they worked for. He won't be toying with Khan
So he can and does attack first. Check.
Anything else? Humans maybe?
Kinda hard to fire more than one shot when you are force frozen
See this is why no one can take you seriously. You're a moron. Khan still won the fight without fighting back while Finn injured Kylo. 😂
Finn injured him. So you say he toys with guys who **** up his shoulder. Based off your opinion he's an idiot. Think next time you buffoon.
He wanted to kill Finn. He failed to do so. Ren was destroyed by Rey in fair combat. A girl one on one despite being ko'd came to and destroyed him.
Not with a force freeze. You don't even catch my point. I'll have to dumb it down for you, moron.
So your new claim is that he's phsyailly unable to shoot at a human ? We've seen him shoot humans so why the hell do you say moronic things ?
Ren shot multiple shots. Evidence. Can poe's gun fire multiple successive shots ?
Originally posted by Darth ThorThat is what he did to a weaker opponent with the same skill set and without a gun. I destroyed your whiny Star Wars hating ass years ago. Go back to hating on the force awakens you loser.
Hahaha Just like I proved on these boards years ago Yoda would instantly freeze Khan. And now a far inferior force user to Khan has proven he can do that as well. And in Live Action no less 😂
Originally posted by quanchi112
He didn't just have one target. There were multiple Klingons. Kylo Ren had the Stormtroopers secure the space before he even exited his ship. That's weak. He let his troops secure the area. He also had his troops accompany him. Get the facts straight.See this is why no one can take you seriously. You're a moron. Khan still won the fight without fighting back while Finn injured Kylo. 😂
Finn injured him. So you say he toys with guys who **** up his shoulder. Based off your opinion he's an idiot. Think next time you buffoon.
He wanted to kill Finn. He failed to do so. Ren was destroyed by Rey in fair combat. A girl one on one despite being ko'd came to and destroyed him.
Not with a force freeze. You don't even catch my point. I'll have to dumb it down for you, moron.
So your new claim is that he's phsyailly unable to shoot at a human ? We've seen him shoot humans so why the hell do you say moronic things ?
Ren shot multiple shots. Evidence. Can poe's gun fire multiple successive shots ?
So going by your "he can only do this as he did in the movie" logic, Khan will wait for Ren to be distracted before he decides to engage
I'm glad you realise your logic is the shits
He didn't toy with Fin?
He toyed with Fin AND was injured. You seem to have forgotten that part. But you sure were quick to point it out in another thread. Almost like you are only downplaying Ren to try to make someone else look better.......
And by that logic Khan can only shoot at Klingons and their ships as he didn't fire(with those big guns) at anything else.
That's what your logic dictates yes.
When did Ren shoot multiple shots? 😂
Originally posted by quanchi112
Khan shoots him and kills him. That's what the evidence points to. Both Ren and Poe lived, noob.
You already agree Ren can freeze and kill easily. You are my disciple
Originally posted by juggermanQuit misrepresenting my argument because yours is just pure utter trash.
So going by your "he can only do this as he did in the movie" logic, Khan will wait for Ren to be distracted before he decides to engageI'm glad you realise your logic is the shits
He didn't toy with Fin?
He toyed with Fin AND was injured. You seem to have forgotten that part. But you sure were quick to point it out in another thread. Almost like you are only downplaying Ren to try to make someone else look better.......
And by that logic Khan can only shoot at Klingons and their ships as he didn't fire(with those big guns) at anything else.
That's what your logic dictates yes.
When did Ren shoot multiple shots? 😂
You already agree Ren can freeze and kill easily. You are my disciple
Khan fired on Spock without him being distracted and easily disarmed him. Khan also killed Klingons bum rushing and engaging him. He didn't kill them all before they mounted a counter offensive nor before they deployed 8 more troops. Khan was on his own. Kylo had Stormtroopers also accompany and secure Poe after the force freeze.
He did toy with him but also took a hit to the shoulder showing his judgment is bad in combat situations.
He was injured but Finn was clearly a joke with a lightsaber.
Ren was inexperienced and full of irrational emotion during the entire film. He was a headcase.
False. Khan fires on a threats trying to kill him. He doesn't need Stormtroopers to aid him. Kylo also didn't force freeze Rey before she fired multiple shots so when he's aware he does it even slower than when he turns around. Evidence. Chewie also nailed him. 😂
Watch the film. Rey fired more than once. Your ignorance is astounding.
Not before Khan kills him. Loki isn't Khan. Khan guns him down. Ffs Chewie nailed him.
When has Ren ever frozen multiple blaster shots ?
Khan wins.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Quit misrepresenting my argument because yours is just pure utter trash.
I'm not. You stated Ren can only do as he has done in the film. By that stance you have to agree Khan is held to the same standards. If not then you are clearly biased.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Khan fired on Spock without him being distracted and easily disarmed him. Khan also killed Klingons bum rushing and engaging him. He didn't kill them all before they mounted a counter offensive nor before they deployed 8 more troops. Khan was on his own. Kylo had Stormtroopers also accompany and secure Poe after the force freeze.
He fired at a weapon. So we have Klingons, Klingon ships and a gun. As Ren is none of these things, your logic dictates Khan cannot fire on him. Yeah your logic does suck bud
Originally posted by quanchi112
He did toy with him but also took a hit to the shoulder showing his judgment is bad in combat situations.
Gald you were able to admit he toyed with him. Concession accepted
Originally posted by quanchi112
He was injured but Finn was clearly a joke with a lightsaber.
Glad you were able to admit he was injured. Concession accepted
Originally posted by quanchi112
Ren was inexperienced and full of irrational emotion during the entire film. He was a headcase.
Experienced enough to froce freeze for the win
Originally posted by quanchi112
False. Khan fires on a threats trying to kill him. He doesn't need Stormtroopers to aid him. Kylo also didn't force freeze Ren before she fired multiple shots so when he's aware he does it even slower than when he turns around. Evidence. Chewie also nailed him. 😂
Again with the Chewie stuff. Are you under the impression that Ren will have just kill Solo and not know Khan is there. Seems like the only way you think he will win is via sneak attack.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Watch the film. Rey fired more than once. Your ignorance is astounding.
You said "Ren" dum dum
Originally posted by quanchi112
Not before Khan kills him. Loki isn't Khan. Khan guns him down. Ffs Chewie nailed him.
Force freeze for the win. Also Chewie 😂
Originally posted by quanchi112
When has Ren ever frozen multiple blaster shots ?
Who said he would be firing shots here?
Originally posted by quanchi112
Khan wins.
Khan loses again
Originally posted by juggermanI didn't say that at any point. That's you misrepresenting it. I always argue these characters fight in character. You admit Ren despite wanting to kill Finn wanted to toy with him. At no point does he just try to kill anyone right out of the gate. That's a Khan thing. 😉
I'm not. You stated Ren can only do as he has done in the film. By that stance you have to agree Khan is held to the same standards. If not then you are clearly biased.He fired at a weapon. So we have Klingons, Klingon ships and a gun. As Ren is none of these things, your logic dictates Khan cannot fire on him. Yeah your logic does suck bud
Gald you were able to admit he toyed with him. Concession accepted
Glad you were able to admit he was injured. Concession accepted
Experienced enough to froce freeze for the win
Again with the Chewie stuff. Are you under the impression that Ren will have just kill Solo and not know Khan is there. Seems like the only way you think he will win is via sneak attack.
You said "Ren" dum dum
Force freeze for the win. Also Chewie 😂
Who said he would be firing shots here?
Khan loses again
He fired on the weapon because he didn't want to kill him. He was going to give himself up to get secure his men because he knew they were in the torpedoes and still alive. That is irrelevant to Ren vs. Khan. Khan shoots people dead who try to oppose him. Ren will be shot dead. Ren will try to kill Khan but he doesn't force freeze Finn. He had no force powers. He didn't force freeze Rey immediately either. I am arguing based off his actions and what's in character. You aren't.
And by admitting so that shows he isn't ruthless and is clearly stupid since Finn a shitty lightsaber guy ****ed his shoulder up with one. A stormtrooper beat Finns ass with the lightsaber. I also never said he wasn't injured. You're clearly an idiot. 😂
Not right out of the gate. He's never done so and Finn hurt him. You already conceded he did.
I am going over the evidence. He still has precog and yet was still just blasted. Without Stormtroopers present to have his back he was hit. Khan took on far more opponents in the Kronos scene and no one ever shot him. Weak. Finn later hurt him and Rey destroyed him in combat.
So despite knowing Rey is the one with the gun and there being one letter difference you couldn't figure it out. Astounding.
That isn't likely looking at the evidence. He lets people fire on him like Rey. Khan guns him down. Chewie hit him.
So you haven't seen khan kill Klingons. 😂
We also saw Rey fire multiple shots when he's aware of his foe.
Khan wins despite your inability to form an argument. Breathe, guy.