Team Doomsday vs Team Mangog

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Odin is galaxy level, which is less than it took for Imperiex Prime to kill Doomsday.

In the modern era, Galactus at his angriest wiped out 3 solar systems, not even remotely close to a galaxy. [Milky Way has over 500 of them.]

Odin is somewhere below that.

How do we know? Residual damage?
Because Imperiex packs enough raw entropy to wipe the multiverse. It's hard to gauge the power used. But we know Doomsday is more powerful than skyfathers.

Negative. Thats a high end showing that all characters have. DC side is trying to fanwank to no end. Thor has survived the Godbomb that went off across all times and universes. He also hurt a multiversal being. And beyonders. He would one shot everybody here at same time.

See what I did there? I used piss poor debating skills, took things out of context and only used high end showing to make a character sound a lot more powerful than they are. Sorry, but pretty sure we go by averages unless stated and Doomsday sure as hell isnt above odin on average.

Doomsday proved time and time again to be stronger than gods.

He crushed Darkseid faster than a cop crushing donuts -- stronger than gods, he's conquered entire innumerable pantheons including the Greek, which is most powerful in DC. Odin is scared of him -- a being who can create realities. He created Stayne, he helped Superman beat Imperiex, he helped stop Antimonitor. The Lords of Order and Chaos fear him, etc etc.

More powerful than Guardians. back in the day, a single Guardian was considered nearly as powerful as the GL Power Battery, one even powered the entire GLC for a time when the Battery was gone, we know the feats of the power battery, it was wipe reality. Superboy Prime absorbing the power of a Guardian made him a rival to Monitors and Monarch, who also packed the energy required to wipe a universe.

He eventually died to Imperiex.

Even Wonder Woman who has fought with and against gods many times couldn't even make Doomsday budge.

In their initial fight, Superman had to dig deeper into his well of power than he ever had just to put him down and got put in his own Odinsleep for the effort. Superman at the height of his power, is among the mightiest beings in DCU, and is well above everyone on this list when required to be.

Where do you put his average?

Also, lol @ Thor harming guys as feats.

Originally posted by Juntai
Also, lol @ Thor harming guys as feats.

what level was glory when thor killed him?

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Horrible wanky logic being thrown around here.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
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Horrible wanky logic being thrown around here.

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Originally posted by Juntai
Doomsday proved time and time again to be stronger than gods.

He crushed Darkseid faster than a cop crushing donuts -- stronger than gods, he's conquered entire innumerable pantheons including the Greek, which is most powerful in DC. Odin is scared of him -- a being who can create realities. He created Stayne, he helped Superman beat Imperiex, he helped stop Antimonitor. The Lords of Order and Chaos fear him, etc etc.

More powerful than Guardians. back in the day, a single Guardian was considered nearly as powerful as the GL Power Battery, one even powered the entire GLC for a time when the Battery was gone, we know the feats of the power battery, it was wipe reality. Superboy Prime absorbing the power of a Guardian made him a rival to Monitors and Monarch, who also packed the energy required to wipe a universe.

He eventually died to Imperiex.

Even Wonder Woman who has fought with and against gods many times couldn't even make Doomsday budge.

In their initial fight, Superman had to dig deeper into his well of power than he ever had just to put him down and got put in his own Odinsleep for the effort. Superman at the height of his power, is among the mightiest beings in DCU, and is well above everyone on this list when required to be.

Where do you put his average?

There is horrible logic being thrown around. And for the lol@thors feats. I was being sarcastic at all of the wanking, and bias. But you just proved my point. Thank you.

DC fans use that imperiex showing to somehow claim the entire Justice League is a bunch of multiversal beings. And they just proved my point by lowballing anything Marvel does, even if its equal to theirs. Because for some reason, because they dont like it. It doesent count.

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
so basically what I got was no limits fallacy for Superman and hence Doomsday?

There is horrible logic being thrown around. And for the lol@thors feats. I was being sarcastic at all of the wanking, and bias. But you just proved my point. Thank you.

DC fans use that imperiex showing to somehow claim the entire Justice League is a bunch of multiversal beings. And they just proved my point by lowballing anything Marvel does, even if its equal to theirs. Because for some reason, because they dont like it. It doesent count.

No, it's not ano limits for Doomsday. he got beat by being dumped into the entropy at the end of all things in H/P, and he got beat by a being weilding enough entropy to wipe reality against Imperiex. Essentially the same source.

However, outside of that, he is above skyfathers in his average showing. Several characters including skyfather and above beings tried to challenge Doomsday, and none of them could stand up to him, save Superman going balls out and dumping his energy, his reserve and his lifeforce into it. By the time of H/P, even amped Superman wasn't much good against him.
Most characters couldn't even give him pause.

So where do you put his average?

Thor has far better fts so it really doesn't matter. When it comes to fighting skyfathers and Abstracts, his fts sh*** on any Herald.

Originally posted by carver9
Thor has far better fts so it really doesn't matter. When it comes to fighting skyfathers and Abstracts, his fts sh*** on any Herald.

Thor never hurt an Abstract. Chaos king and Glory were not abstracts, neither was the Beyonders. Abstracts can't be physically touched since they are abstract.

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Originally posted by carver9
Thor has far better fts so it really doesn't matter. When it comes to fighting skyfathers and Abstracts, his fts sh*** on any Herald.

Originally posted by h1a8
You mean Mjolnir feats. What good is Mjolnir if it is knocked from Thor or Thor is forced to drop it due to a severe shot to the head?

Thor never hurt an Abstract. Chaos king and Glory were not abstracts, neither was the Beyonders. Abstracts can't be physically touched since they are abstract.

Mjlonir is a part of Thor. Whatever fts Thor has done with his hammer is part of him. You might as well take Tony Stark fts away from him since it is it is his armor that is doing the work rather than Tony himself.

Originally posted by Juntai
Better feats than who?

"Any Herald".

Originally posted by h1a8
You mean Mjolnir feats. What good is Mjolnir if it is knocked from Thor or Thor is forced to drop it due to a severe shot to the head?

Thor never hurt an Abstract. Chaos king and Glory were not abstracts, neither was the Beyonders. Abstracts can't be physically touched since they are abstract.

Im sorry, but that really confuses me. Is that a rule somewhere? Hasnt both Batman and Superman physically hurt abstracts? Because I guarantee if I made that statement or Carver or anybody about abstracts you would be all over their ass. Thor has hurt abstracts. He can be dynamic as well. Cant just make your own rules up about how comic physics work.

Originally posted by carver9
"Any Herald".

But if you mean to include the characters like Superman, then no, he doesn't.

Heralds of Galactus are the benchmark of this class, hence it's name, and surely Thor smacks them around almost every time he fights them. But Superman and his powerful enemies are many levels above this.

But I can see the confusion you get, because he sometimes gets knocked around momentarily by a herald level character. However, the characters who engage him are counting on his restraint, his fear of hurting innocents and causing egregious collateral damage and whatever plan they have concocted to allow them to gain the upper hand temporarily. Most of them have plotted long in advance of actually meeting him, because the DC heros and villains tend to know exactly the types of scenarios that will bring Superman to battle. Or they engage him entirely on their own while he's doing other things.

Even some of the mightiest beings on Earth such as Black Adam [though he started the encounter not on his own volition, he continued it by choice], who as we know as of WW3, is almost unstoppable in the absence of Superman [as 52 was marketed as the year without Superman, Batman and Wondy] and has the physical attributes of many gods relies on these things also. Notice Superman rushing around saving people while simultaneously fighting him, and still made him back down as he started getting stronger and stronger, because he again relied on Superman's restraint.

But when Superman is not doing this, he's been shown to walk over gods and demons and abstracts and whatnot rather easily.

Thor is still well below Thanos. A serious Superman runs over him. That's your power difference. Superman has one shot guys in the trans tier, and railroaded skyfathers. Thor can sometimes punch above his weight class and do amazing things, Supes' weight class is above gods, just as characters in his rogues gallery like Mxy, Doomsday and Darkseid and Brainiac are, but he's benevolent, and restrains his power immensely.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Odin is galaxy level, which is less than it took for Imperiex Prime to kill Doomsday.

SA Odin wasn't galaxy level hell the he was written he was abstract level, his feats say so I dont. Odin is universal but at the low end of it, his feats alone has shown this.

Originally posted by the Darkone
SA Odin wasn't galaxy level hell the he was written he was abstract level, his feats say so I dont. Odin is universal but at the low end of it, his feats alone has shown this.

Yeah, in the Silver Age, Odin was among the most powerful characters around as the heirarchy hadn't really been set yet. But back then Superman could destroy the multiverse by flying fast. So take SA stories with a grain of salt. They don't really hold much bearing on modern characters, even if they are still technically canon. [e.g; Infinite Crisis undid the COIE reboot, and Silver Age became Canon again, and Marvel never had one to begin with.]

Originally posted by abhilegend
Doomsday was cloned in Superman 175 adding Superman's DNA. It was sold to Darkseid.

Entropy Aegis killed him. Darkseid created another Doomsday who escaped in Gog Wars. He was then left at the center of Earth at the end of Gog Wars and was controlled by Dr. Psycho in Infinite Crisis and was killed by Supermen. Lex created another doomsday and it was killed by kandorians.

Real doomsday appeared in Reign of Doomsday. That's it.