i need for all the characters to have contrived origins. poe and finn are actually half brothers, sons of lando. omg please be true. admiral ackbar is jar jar's son. tarkin is rey's uncle. *twitches* bb-8 was made by boba fett from parts he stole from c-3p0 in bespin. more. i need more. general hux is wedge antilles' grandson. *compulsively scratching self* c'mon baby just another taste. i'll do anything.
Nah, revealing Snoke to be Plagueis would make him a significantly more compelling character than the alternative i.e. Palpatine 2.0.
As it stands Kylo Ren is set to perform the role of principal villain, with Snoke manipulating in the background as a largely archetypal representation of evil and the dark side. This simply doesn't leave much or any room to develop for Snoke a compelling backstory and complex character, just as it didn't with Palpatine.
He can only really be the stereotypical Evil Overlord/foil we've seen and had already, and that will be rather boring, and is unlikely to top Palpatine in it's execution.
Establish Snoke as Plagueis however as he's instantly more compelling and complex, the master of the most powerful Sith in history and former Galactic Emperor gives him a gravitas that Eldritch Abomination from nowhere never could.
And being the murdered, supplanted but resurrected master means he isn't above Palpatine, but not necessarily beneath him either. Also giving us a character wise and powerful but also vulnerable, embittered, twisted, and potentially disillusioned with what it means to be Sith. In this way very distinct from Palpatine, and compelling in his own right, as well as more rounded.
Finally a character that treats Palpatine with condescending disdain rather subservience and reverence could make for some really fresh and interesting dialogue and character in general. His ability to create life and cheat death also has a lot of unexplored potential as a plot point.
I just feel like this idea has a lot of storytelling potential, rather than just amounting to a "contrived reference" (which is really quite fundamental to the PT and Anakin's fall.) And with the Plagueis novel now Legends, it seems unlikely they will leave this Lucas creation untouched forever.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Nah, revealing Snoke to be Plagueis would make him a significantly more compelling character than the alternative i.e. Palpatine 2.0.As it stands Kylo Ren is set to perform the role of principal villain, with Snoke manipulating in the background as a largely archetypal representation of evil and the dark side. This simply doesn't leave much or any room to develop for Snoke a compelling backstory and complex character, just as it didn't with Palpatine.
He can only really be the stereotypical Evil Overlord/foil we've seen and had already, and that will be rather boring, and is unlikely to top Palpatine in it's execution.
Establish Snoke as Plagueis however as he's instantly more compelling and complex, the master of the most powerful Sith in history and former Galactic Emperor gives him a gravitas that Eldritch Abomination from nowhere never could.
And being the murdered, supplanted but resurrected master means he isn't above Palpatine, but not necessarily beneath him either. Also giving us a character wise and powerful but also vulnerable, embittered, twisted, and potentially disillusioned with what it means to be Sith. In this way very distinct from Palpatine, and compelling in his own right, as well as more rounded.
Finally a character that treats Palpatine with condescending disdain rather subservience and reverence could make for some really fresh and interesting dialogue and character in general. His ability to create life and cheat death also has a lot of unexplored potential as a plot point.
I just feel like this idea has a lot of storytelling potential, rather than just amounting to a "contrived reference" (which is really quite fundamental to the PT and Anakin's fall.) And with the Plagueis novel now Legends, it seems unlikely they will leave this Lucas creation untouched forever.
what about snoke as a dark sider completely unrelated to the sith, from an ancient dark side cult unknown to jedi and sith - or a force ghost of such long dead cult
How? Darth Plagueis being a Muun is non-canon, and Disney have made it quite clear J.J. is not beholden to any of that.
There is evidence against Snoke being Plagueis, but that's the most inconsequential IMO.
Originally posted by redpillNone of those options quite jumping out at me.
what about snoke as a dark sider completely unrelated to the sith, from an ancient dark side cult unknown to jedi and sith - or a force ghost of such long dead cult
Originally posted by BeniboyblingIn fairness to Dt he might not be aware that isn't canon anymore.
How? Darth Plagueis being a Muun is non-canon, and Disney have made it quite clear J.J. is not beholden to any of that.There is evidence against Snoke being Plagueis, but that's the most inconsequential IMO.None of those options quite jumping out at me.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Nah, revealing Snoke to be Plagueis would make him a significantly more compelling character than the alternative i.e. Palpatine 2.0.As it stands Kylo Ren is set to perform the role of principal villain, with Snoke manipulating in the background as a largely archetypal representation of evil and the dark side. This simply doesn't leave much or any room to develop for Snoke a compelling backstory and complex character, just as it didn't with Palpatine.
He can only really be the stereotypical Evil Overlord/foil we've seen and had already, and that will be rather boring, and is unlikely to top Palpatine in it's execution.
Establish Snoke as Plagueis however as he's instantly more compelling and complex, the master of the most powerful Sith in history and former Galactic Emperor gives him a gravitas that Eldritch Abomination from nowhere never could.
And being the murdered, supplanted but resurrected master means he isn't above Palpatine, but not necessarily beneath him either. Also giving us a character wise and powerful but also vulnerable, embittered, twisted, and potentially disillusioned with what it means to be Sith. In this way very distinct from Palpatine, and compelling in his own right, as well as more rounded.
Finally a character that treats Palpatine with condescending disdain rather subservience and reverence could make for some really fresh and interesting dialogue and character in general. His ability to create life and cheat death also has a lot of unexplored potential as a plot point.
I just feel like this idea has a lot of storytelling potential, rather than just amounting to a "contrived reference" (which is really quite fundamental to the PT and Anakin's fall.) And with the Plagueis novel now Legends, it seems unlikely they will leave this Lucas creation untouched forever.
Agreed
Originally posted by Darth ThorWell I figured if he is Plagueis for whatever reason he's abandoned his Darth title/is no longer Sith.
Just the fact that they're calling him Snoke and not Plaguies.
That and a new name makes him more approachable to a new audience.
Calling him Plagueis would spoil a lot about his character though, just like if they called Ren Ben Solo.