Is Supreme Leader Snoke a Sith Lord?

Started by chilled monkey2 pages
chilled monkey Senior Member
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Overused and under-explained. Without evoking the EU, I still have no clue what a Sith actually is, aside from a Dark Sider who hates Jedi.

That line, right there, is why it really infuriates me when people badmouth the EU (or "Legends" if you must call it that).

The EU is what MADE Star Wars. It's what provided depth to everything. Characters, places, concepts etc. If you went by the movies only there's practically nothing.

For example, as you yourself pointed out, everything about the Sith, their origins, motives, nature and such, all of that comes from the EU.

Heck, the word "Sith" isn't even mentioned in the OT.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

You guys might also find this interesting:

-TFA: TVD

Lord Lucien Lets all love Lain

Originally posted by chilled monkey
That line, right there, is why it really infuriates me when people badmouth the EU (or "Legends" if you must call it that).

The EU is what MADE Star Wars. It's what provided depth to everything. Characters, places, concepts etc. If you went by the movies only there's practically nothing.

For example, as you yourself pointed out, everything about the Sith, their origins, motives, nature and such, all of that comes from the EU.

Heck, the word "Sith" isn't even mentioned in the OT.

Exactly. The EU fleshed out the movies, which is fine. But the PT needed the EU for that because it couldn't stand on its own two feet. No explanation, no motivation, no casus belli. I can't stand when people think the movies aren't shit because other artists divorced from the films filled in the blanks themselves after-the-fact. I shouldn't have to do homework after watching a movie just for it to make any sense. That's when you know you have an insubstantial movie.

So enough with the Sith. "Sith" got mentioned once in the ANH novelization, but it's film use is a PT contraption. Leave it there. We don't need the Sith to have the Dark Side.

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That's why they release those Dictionary/Cross Section books, to flesh out the movies and it works better than the EU garbage.

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Originally posted by Galan007
You guys might also find this interesting:

-TFA: TVD

According to that he isn't a Jedi nor is he a Sith.

He's both?

Lord Lucien Lets all love Lain

Originally posted by juggernaut74
That's why they release those Dictionary/Cross Section books, to flesh out the movies and it works better than the EU garbage.
Those are cool too, and when I want to explore a universe beyond the films, I turn to those or the EU. But I absolutely will judge the quality of the films as films alone. You shouldn't have to watch a spin-off cartoon, or read a follow-up novel or comic just to make sense of the events that happened in the progenitor film. That's a failing on the film's part.

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Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Those are cool too, and when I want to explore a universe beyond the films, I turn to those or the EU. But I absolutely will judge the quality of the films as films alone. You shouldn't have to watch a spin-off cartoon, or read a follow-up novel or comic just to make sense of the events that happened in the progenitor film. That's a failing on the film's part.
But not everybody gives a crap about the small things like Kylo's saber being made out of a cracked crystal or how does Rey understand BB-8. The hardcore fans sure, but the average everyday fan don't even think to ask those questions.

That's why they have the Cross Section/Dictionary books. That and to make more money.

Lord Lucien Lets all love Lain

Originally posted by juggernaut74
But not everybody gives a crap about the small things like Kylo's saber being made out of a cracked crystal or how does Rey understand BB-8. The hardcore fans sure, but the average everyday fan don't even think to ask those questions.
And... what are you getting at? I'm talking about plot holes or character motivations. If those have to be filled in with the additional works outside the film, then the film has failed.

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Originally posted by Lord Lucien
And... what are you getting at? I'm talking about plot holes or character motivations. If those have to be filled in with the additional works outside the film, then the film has failed.
What plot holes or character motivations do you speak of?

Lord Lucien Lets all love Lain

Originally posted by juggernaut74
What plot holes or character motivations do you speak of?
Pick literally anything from the PT?

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I thought you were talking about TFA.

I personally didn't mind the PT.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by juggernaut74
According to that he isn't a Jedi nor is he a Sith.

He's both?

Evidently Snoke promotes Kylo drawing upon both the light AND dark sides of the force, which wouldn't qualify him as Jedi or Sith on paper. He's still referenced as a "dark side user", though, so he's more 'Sith-like' than anything(obviously)... He's just a dark side user who can still use different aspects of the light side to his advantage.

What I found even more interesting in TFA: TVD is that it seems to imply that Snoke has multiple apprentices, and Kylo is simply the most gifted among them:

...mmm

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Must mean Snoke started the Knights of Ren.