IQs of Jedi and Sith

Started by Azronger5 pages
Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Sidious certainly did, guys like Marka Ragnos did to a certain extent, too.

No, he didn't. His ultimate goal was to become omnipotent. Didn't see him succeeding at that.

Oh, really. Got any source to back that up?

But he damn well succeeded in ruling over the galaxy, and utterly decimating the Jedi Order. He has himself to blame for setting impossible goals such as achieving omnipotence.

Ragnos pretty much still stand though, unless I'm missing something about his character [which is a possibility].....<_<

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Oh, really. Got any source to back that up?

But he damn well succeeded in ruling over the galaxy, and utterly decimating the Jedi Order. He has himself to blame for setting impossible goals such as achieving omnipotence.

Ragnos pretty much still stand though, unless I'm missing something about his character [which is a possibility].....<_<

As soon as Skywalker’s dream of conquering the Darkness from within was crushed, the next stage in his training began. Fully under Palpatine’s power, the boy would make a worthy disciple, as would his sister and her children in time. Perhaps he would enter the new unborn life and regain real flesh, but he would need preparation first. With the knowledge gained from his Dark Side Compendium, he would create an eternal dynasty, with the descendants of Skywalker as its nobility, and Palpatine himself as its omnipotent ruler.

-Dark Empire Sourcebook

You are right about Ragnos, though.

Maybe Palpatine meant to be omnipotent in the same sense as Odin, Darkseid or Galactus are omnipotent... that is to say, not at all, he's just uber stronk.

Yeah Omnipotent has more than 1 definition. It also means just one who is ridiculously strong/powerful, which Sidious was.

I mean sure if you go by the main definition IE: Become literal God of everything/able to do anything, then yeah Sidious wasn't gonna achieve that.

Originally posted by MythLord
Maybe Palpatine meant to be omnipotent in the same sense as Odin, Darkseid or Galactus are omnipotent... that is to say, not at all, he's just uber stronk.

That's not omnipotent. If there's even one thing you're unable to do, you're not omnipotent.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Yeah Omnipotent has more than 1 definition. It also means just one who is ridiculously strong/powerful, which Sidious was.

I mean sure if you go by the main definition IE: Become literal God of everything/able to do anything, then yeah Sidious wasn't gonna achieve that.

No, omnipotent is omnipotent. Very strong is very strong.

How he going to go about becoming omnipotent? Was it ever explained?

Even The Ones aren't.

Originally posted by ILS
How he going to go about becoming omnipotent? Was it ever explained?

Even The Ones aren't.

I don't think it was ever explained, but it is stated he planned to take his rule to other galaxies, and eventually his empire would span the entire universe:

He would journey across the universe, spreading the shadow of his rule, blotting out the stars themselves, and taking his Dark Rule to other helpless galaxies.

-The Dark Side Sourcebook.

There have been many who have served the Dark Side, but not all of them have sought to rule the universe as Palpatine has.

-Dark Empire Sourcebook

So no, Palpatine never succeeded in his end goal of omnipotence and rule over existence itself. The Galactic Empire was just a fraction of his ambition and true plans.

Originally posted by Azronger
No, omnipotent is omnipotent. Very strong is very strong.

Omnipotence can also mean one who has very great power, characters have been deemed omnipotent yet clearly are not that, they just have very great power.

Jerec got semi-omnipotence with the Valley's power.

Originally posted by Azronger
I don't think it was ever explained, but it is stated he planned to take his rule to other galaxies, and eventually his empire would span the entire universe:

He would journey across the universe, spreading the shadow of his rule, blotting out the stars themselves, and taking his Dark Rule to other helpless galaxies.

-The Dark Side Sourcebook.

There have been many who have served the Dark Side, but not all of them have sought to rule the universe as Palpatine has.

-Dark Empire Sourcebook

So no, Palpatine never succeeded in his end goal of omnipotence and rule over existence itself. The Galactic Empire was just a fraction of his ambition and true plans.

This needs a what-if comic series, holy shit.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Omnipotence can also mean one who has very great power, characters have been deemed omnipotent yet clearly are not that, they just have very great power.

That's hyperbole, then. Omnipotent is omnipotent. I rest my case.

Omnipotent does have a strict definition, and I can't see Sidious setting the limit for his ambition at a hyperbolic use of a word amounting to "really powerful". He's already "really powerful."

/Shrug

Just saying there is more than 1. It might not be the most prominent, but it is there.

But anyway we're going off topic here, back to the IQ bit.

Very rarely does a thread stay on-topic here for long....

Regarding how the omnipotence thing is possible - Sidious was just deluded, obviously.

Palpatine ended up dying - he wanted to become immortal and omnipotent. He didn't succeed in the long run. His "ten-thousand-year-empire" lasted a measly 30 years. In BoS, he muses about how reliant he still is on Imperial fodder, a fact that he despises.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Regarding how the omnipotence thing is possible - Sidious was just deluded, obviously.

👆

Any Star Wars character who thinks they can do some impossible shit like reaching omnipotence or destroying the force or transcending the Force, or embodying the whole universe is delusional.

Ultimately, all of Jerec's pupils were killed by the Jedi Kyle Katarn, but the price was worth the reward. Jerec at last gained access to the valley, and for one lucid moment, absolute omniscience was his. The will of the Force, Chaos, the ancient civilizations of the Rakata and Xim, what lay beyond the galactic barrier, and the origins of the universe - - Jerec understood them all, and endowed with Force powers beyond imagination, he would have ruled accordingly.

However, during this rapturous illumination, Kyle used an ancient Force technique to sever Jerec's connection to the Force with a wall of pure light. Kyle then proceeded to cut the Dark Jedi down, sending Jerec's soul screaming toward Chaos alongside the Sith spirits of a thousand years hence. Thanks to his enlightenment, Jerec was well aware of the torture without respite that awaited him there.

Omniscience isn't the same as omnipotence. Which is why Jerec was still severed from the Force, lol.

The Force itself is likely not omnipotent, so there's no way you can achieve true omnipotence as a Force user in SW.