Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Beginning of KOTFE Vaylin would dominate Meetra, much less peak KOTET Vaylin.
Maybe so. But Traya>>Meetra too. I don't think Vaylin will be able to oneshot three members of the Jedi High Council, and then seven Sith Assassins with the power of thought. Plus Traya is several times smarter and more skilled than hysterical Vaylin, which has only chaotic raw power.
I don't know how relevant this is, but for example: Gnost-Dural has 70% HP of Vaylin. While Vrook Lamar only 14% of Traya HP.
Traya was more powerful than Meetra, but she’s a significantly inferior combatant given she lost to Meetra whilst fed by a colossal dark side nexus.
This “hysterical Vaylin” you refer to was able to defeat The Outlander after he defeated Arcann, with ease while her powers were restrained. Outlander is far more powerful than Novel Revan, who is infinitely more powerful than Traya.
Keep in mind that the Outlander by the start of KOTET has infinitely more combat experience and exposure to esoteric techniques than Traya, and yet Vaylin is able to put him in the dirt in seconds.
The HP of characters is completely irrelevant and doesn”t remotely determine power levels.
Unchained Vaylin >>> Chained Vaylin (Ch. 3 KOTET) >>> Outlander (Ch. 3 KOTET) >/~ KOTFE Arcann >>>> Act 3 HoT > Voice of the Emperor (Act 3) >> Novel Vitiate > Novel Revan >>>> Darth Traya.
^ there”s way more gaps between Unchained Vaylin and Traya than that, btw.
Here”s some substantiation for parts of the scaling chain as well:
Emperor Vitiate (SWTOR: Revan): This argument proposes that the Sith Emperor as of the Revan Novel is significantly more powerful than Revan Reborn. Revan muses that he ”knew he couldn’t go toe-to-toe with the Emperor by himself for very long”, and that he “probably” was not a match for the Emperor alone. Furthermore, the Essential Reader’s Companion ultimately states ”The Emperor’s power is too much for Revan. Recognizing that the Emperor is undefeatable, Scourge kills Meetra and betrays Revan”, and Scourge notes after the fact that ”The Emperor would have won regardless”. Thus, Vitiate as of the Novel receives all of the scaling Revan Reborn benefits from, including vast superiority to Star Forge Malak, who in turn is vastly superior to Exar Kun and Freedon Nadd, and by proxy the rest of the Ancient Sith.Emperor Vitiate (Act 3, Weakened): This argument proposes that the Emperor, even while temporarily weakened at the end of Act 3, is vastly more powerful than his Novel Incarnation. This stems from the fact that Revan Reborn believed he was not a match for the Emperor alone, yet ”With the combined strength of Meetra, Scourge, and even T3, however, he believed they stood a real chance of victory”, Indicating that Scourge would have been a relevant factor in the fight. Conversely, an absurdly more powerful Act 3 Scourge who is far more intimate with the Emperor forces the Hero of Tython to face Vitiate alone, because ”No one else can resist his direct influence.” This indicates that Scourge would have been nothing more than a hindrance to the Hero’s efforts, which is clearly not the case in the Novel. Essentially, the gap between Act 3 weakened Vitiate and SWTOR Scourge is larger than the gap between Novel Vitiate and Novel Scourge, despite Scourge’s massive growth during that span of time. Thus, Act 3 weakened Vitiate receives any feats and scaling Novel Vitiate benefits from.
Emperor Vitiate (Act 3, Recovered): This argument proposes that Vitiate restored his power to normal levels over the course of the Hero’s massacre through Kaas City and the Dark Temple. Lord Scourge states that ”[The Emperor] will recover quickly. We cannot grant him time to gather his power.” The dictionary definitions of “recover” in this context include return to a normal state of health, mind, or strength and to bring back to normal position or condition. Despite Scourge’s warning, the Hero gives Vitiate time to recover while dissipating his energies further to save his apprentice in distress. Scourge after the fact laments, ”You gave the Emperor time to gather his strength. We are all fortunate to be alive.” As a kicker, the Hero can outright dismiss Scourge’s warning: ”Let him prepare all he wants. Ready or not, I’ll destroy him,” Which at least indicates the Hero is confident he can defeat a full power Emperor’s voice despite his failure at the end of Act 2. Thus, the Emperor as of his confrontation with the Hero is not significantly weaker than (and likely on par with) the Emperor’s Voice in Act 2.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
I explained above why Outlander > Novel Vitiate.
First: Emperor’s Voice in dark temple (act 3) is not Emperor himself, but only his minion. It was created because of another attempt on his life. In the act 2, as far as I know, there was the real Emperor.
Second: Act 2 Vitiate >~ Novel Vitiate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his Voice.
I am still of this opinion:
Valkorion > Novel Vitiate >> Revan SoR>~Revan Reborn>~Traya>~Vaylin > Malgus~Nyriss > Meetra~Arcann>~Outlander