Rey vs. Seventh Sister

Originally posted by Q99
A Padawan is (with rare exception like Anakin), someone who's picked as having had enough training to go out with a Knight to get hands-on training and go into the field to see the Knight in action. Kanan went straight into the war when Depa selected him. Ahsoka... well, we saw her first mission.

Younglings get saber training (remember the kids with Yoda?) before becoming padawan. Heck, Obi-wan first got Qui-gon's attention due to his performance in saber sparing with another padawan.

So a starting padawan has the basics, but not the intensive one-on-one training of a Knight or any experience. They're the equivalent of a soldier out of boot camp. They can use their weaponry and throw a punch, but it's pretty rough.

This is the traditional way a padawan goes through the ranks, if they are brought in at a young enough age, however, there are exceptions(and not just a few) to this, such as: Anakin, Luke, the first class of Luke's NJO etc. and many of them turned out to be powerful, competent Jedi Masters. You can still become exceptional without extensive traditional training. On the other hand, you have some masters seemingly unable to block 3 blaster bolts.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Lulz at that being the one thing you point out as being wrong in that post.

Originally posted by Q99

A Padawan is (with rare exception like Anakin), someone who's picked as having had enough training to go out with a Knight to get hands-on training and go into the field to see the Knight in action. Kanan went straight into the war when Depa selected him. Ahsoka... well, we saw her first mission.

Younglings get saber training (remember the kids with Yoda?) before becoming padawan. Heck, Obi-wan first got Qui-gon's attention due to his performance in saber sparing with another padawan.

So a starting padawan has the basics, but not the intensive one-on-one training of a Knight or any experience. They're the equivalent of a soldier out of boot camp. They can use their weaponry and throw a punch, but it's pretty rough.

Q...I know what Padawan is. 🙄 😛

My question was moreso asking what the other said about the lowest of the low Padawan.

Originally posted by Vorpal Ruin
This is the traditional way a padawan goes through the ranks, if they are brought in at a young enough age, however, there are exceptions(and not just a few) to this, such as: Anakin, Luke, the first class of Luke's NJO etc. and many of them turned out to be powerful, competent Jedi Masters. You can still become exceptional without extensive traditional training. On the other hand, you have some masters seemingly unable to block 3 blaster bolts.

Oh, definitely. Still, any padawan, even the eventually-exceptional ones, starts out pretty low.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Q...I know what Padawan is. 🙄 😛

Just pointing out they aren't untrained.

My question was moreso asking what the other said about the lowest of the low Padawan.

Which is....?

Never said they were untrained and it was to Ruin's question.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Never said they were untrained and it was to Ruin's question.

Q99 was the one I quoted, asking for comparison to other padawans to back up his assertion that Rey is the lowest of the low regarding padawans.

I kept trying to recall stories I've read involving padawans, like Scout, Ben Skywalker, Anakin Skywalker, etc. but i really cant recall accurately how they stack up to Rey.

The lowest of the low Padawan, your standard is

1. A Master Swordman in Form 1 and 1 other form.

2. Their TK is in the molecular level range, they must master and exceed their body limitations with The Force, must able to see through illusions among other things of that nature.

Now your standard Jedi Knight is even greater than that, but that right there is just a Padawan. So....I don't think Rey is even there yet.

ALTHOUGH I am going off of Legends canon, sooo...take from that what you will.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
The lowest of the low Padawan, your standard is

1. A Master Swordman in Form 1 and 1 other form.

2. Their TK is in the molecular level range, they must master and exceed their body limitations with The Force, must able to see through illusions among other things of that nature.

Now your standard Jedi Knight is even greater than that, but that right there is just a Padawan. So....I don't think Rey is even there yet.

ALTHOUGH I am going off of Legends canon, sooo...take from that what you will.

Based on that criteria, Rey is certainly not that refined. However, that doesn't mean that a untrained Rey cannot beat any padawan in a fight. She showed some impressive natural ability against wounded Kylo.

Originally posted by Vorpal Ruin
Based on that criteria, Rey is certainly not that refined. However, that doesn't mean that a untrained Rey cannot beat any padawan in a fight. She showed some impressive natural ability against wounded Kylo.

Eh....I guess, although I could see a Padawan of the PT Order at least(Legends ofc) doing much better against a wounded Kylo. A fully trained Jedi Knight would probably win more often than not in a majority.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Eh....I guess, although I could see a Padawan of the PT Order at least(Legends ofc) doing much better against a wounded Kylo. A fully trained Jedi Knight would probably win more often than not in a majority.

Eh, an average padawan? I'm not sure. Could some padawans have preformed better? Probably.

Now, this is pure speculation and not to be taken into consideration for my previous statements, but I think Kylo knows more about Rey's history than Rey does and that could have played a role in their fight.

Although it seems that Kylo completed his Dark Side turn by killing Han, it could be that having just done that put him into emotional turmoil that made him less formidable before he was able to reconcile his emotions.

Originally posted by Vorpal Ruin

I kept trying to recall stories I've read involving padawans, like Scout, Ben Skywalker, Anakin Skywalker, etc. but i really cant recall accurately how they stack up to Rey.

Ezra?

I think he'd lose to Rey due her being stronger and such, but isn't *that* different in actual skill.

Originally posted by Q99
Ezra?

I think he'd lose to Rey due her being stronger and such, but isn't *that* different in actual skill.

I didn't watch 99% of TCW. I only watched a few specific fights. I know nothing of Ezra, so I can't really weigh in there.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Lulz at that being the one thing you point out as being wrong in that post.

Gotta start somewhere excellent

Originally posted by Vorpal Ruin
I didn't watch 99% of TCW. I only watched a few specific fights. I know nothing of Ezra, so I can't really weigh in there.

At first he's a normal fit kid with good aim and untrained potential, but Kanan's been gradually training him. He's at the point where he's majorly useful against Stormtroopers, and can assist Kanan against serious foes, but would get pwned by an Inquisitor like Seventh Sister without major help.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Lulz. Comparing even a wounded Kylo to someone who got made Ahsoka's *****, two on one, is some toplelworthy shit. And it wasn't a barely win. She went ape on Kylo, who was blocking lightsabers with his bare hands, even while wounded.

I wouldn't say she was completely made "Ahsoka's *****". The 7th Sister did put up a good fight and the 5th Brother SUCKS(as of now). I mean, LOOK AT HIM. The only thing he does in the fight is twice charge with the saber over his head like someone worse than an untrained Savage Opress. Also I don't remember Kylo using Force deflection if thats what you're referring to.

The 7th sister shouldn't have a problem with Rey.

Ren was blocking lightsabers with his hands in the novel.

Which novel? I don't remember this happening in the normal novelization.