With the European migrant crisis we've seen what happens when people want to get somewhere bad enough. The Mediterranean Sea is a more daunting barrier than any manmade wall could ever be, yet migrants continue to cross it by the thousands even though they know they have a good chance of drowning. A wall won't stop people from getting in if they want to get in badly enough.
Trump's wall is a bit like Reagan's Star Wars idea of having lasers in space to shoot down Russian nukes--except that impractical idea actually had the benefit of tricking the Soviets into spending themselves to death, whereas this one will just spend us to death.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Trump's wall is a bit like Reagan's Star Wars idea of having lasers in space to shoot down Russian nukes--except that impractical idea actually had the benefit of tricking the Soviets into spending themselves to death, whereas this one will just spend us to death.
Only children would think building a wall to keep illegals out is a good idea.
1.) Building the wall would cost an astronomic amount of money.
2.) Mexico is not going to pay for it even if they could.
3.) The wall even if built won't work.
4.) Even if the wall works you still lose because you'll lose most of the working class in the USA.
5.) You'll only make an enemy if Donald Trump does come to presidency and demands Mexico to pay for it. You already have enough Mexicans outraged due to the current fense/wall.
6.) Mexico is the US third biggest trade partner that exports and imports at a about equal ratio, unlike China, so that notion that you'll hurt Mexico by cutting trade goes both ways.
7.) Do you want to have neighbors with nice houses or neighbors with bad houses? If the Mexican economy does bad as Trump intents that is a bad thing for the US because more immigrants will want to go to the USA and you'll have a neighbor that is unstable.
8.) If the Mexican economy fails that won't be a drip of water into the ocean, that's a tsunami destroying economies at it destroys itself. When you make big global moves you have to think about the consequences.
9.) If Trump cuts trade with Mexico it won't do anything. NAFTA was proposed by Regan in order to make trade easier between North America. Mexico was a protectionist before NAFTA that means they didn't want to trade with the USA.
So if you cut trade with Mexico they'll do business with other countries and boot all US companies out of Mexico.
If we look at all the facts it only shows how unthought out your idea is.
Originally posted by Van Hohenheim
Only children would think building a wall to keep illegals out is a good idea.
1.) Building the wall would cost an astronomic amount of money.
2.) Mexico is not going to pay for it even if they could.
3.) The wall even if built won't work.
4.) Even if the wall works you still lose because you'll lose most of the working class in the USA.
5.) You'll only make an enemy if Donald Trump does come to presidency and demands Mexico to pay for it. You already have enough Mexicans outraged due to the current fense/wall.
6.) Mexico is the US third biggest trade partner that exports and imports at a about equal ratio, unlike China, so that notion that you'll hurt Mexico by cutting trade goes both ways.
7.) Do you want to have neighbors with nice houses or neighbors with bad houses? If the Mexican economy does bad as Trump intents that is a bad thing for the US because more immigrants will want to go to the USA and you'll have a neighbor that is unstable.
8.) If the Mexican economy fails that won't be a drip of water into the ocean, that's a tsunami destroying economies at it destroys itself. When you make big global moves you have to think about the consequences.
9.) If Trump cuts trade with Mexico it won't do anything. NAFTA was proposed by Regan in order to make trade easier between North America. Mexico was a protectionist before NAFTA that means they didn't want to trade with the USA.
So if you cut trade with Mexico they'll do business with other countries and boot all US companies out of Mexico.If we look at all the facts it only shows how unthought out your idea is.
1. Cost istn't a factor, its our wall Mexico's problem.
2. How do you know that, speculation
3. Yup, more speculation
4. Very False
5. Yeah, so what you mean illegals?
The rest is so similar to the first its just boohoo. Honestly listening to people on both sides is just a joke.
People that want to cry out and say countries will stop trade with us is false. We are huge consumption nation and economies are driven by this.
Originally posted by snowdragon
People that want to cry out and say countries will stop trade with us is false. We are huge consumption nation and economies are driven by this.
This just implies that the current negotiations of trade between Mexico and the US were badly done on the US side (simplifying it to 2 actors, rather than many thousands), and that they can eat up an increase in cost at whatever rate that the wall would cost.
It's just capitalism, if the US wants to increase trade tariffs (which this would basically be) by say 100 million on Mexico, other trade partners become more lucrative and will be traded with instead.
Originally posted by Van Hohenheim
Only children would think building a wall to keep illegals out is a good idea.
1.) Building the wall would cost an astronomic amount of money.
2.) Mexico is not going to pay for it even if they could.
3.) The wall even if built won't work.
4.) Even if the wall works you still lose because you'll lose most of the working class in the USA.
5.) You'll only make an enemy if Donald Trump does come to presidency and demands Mexico to pay for it. You already have enough Mexicans outraged due to the current fense/wall.
6.) Mexico is the US third biggest trade partner that exports and imports at a about equal ratio, unlike China, so that notion that you'll hurt Mexico by cutting trade goes both ways.
7.) Do you want to have neighbors with nice houses or neighbors with bad houses? If the Mexican economy does bad as Trump intents that is a bad thing for the US because more immigrants will want to go to the USA and you'll have a neighbor that is unstable.
8.) If the Mexican economy fails that won't be a drip of water into the ocean, that's a tsunami destroying economies at it destroys itself. When you make big global moves you have to think about the consequences.
9.) If Trump cuts trade with Mexico it won't do anything. NAFTA was proposed by Regan in order to make trade easier between North America. Mexico was a protectionist before NAFTA that means they didn't want to trade with the USA.
So if you cut trade with Mexico they'll do business with other countries and boot all US companies out of Mexico.If we look at all the facts it only shows how unthought out your idea is.
1. Nothing compared to the amount of money we waste on Iraq, Afghanistan and immigration.
2. Mexico will pay for it in a tariff. If they don't like it, they don't do business with us.
3. Walls always work, just ask Israel, or the White House.
4. No you won't, they can come in legally and work.
5. Mexicans that are here legally don't want illegals taking their jobs.
6. We won't be hurting Mexico, we will be making a fair deal.
7. A wall means a border and means we have a country by controlling our border.
8. We will not hurt Mexico with a wall, we will help them as well with it.
9. The president has the final authority on trade. Regardless of Nafta.