Kylo Ren vs TPM Obi-Wan

Originally posted by Darth Thor
But.. That's... Pretty damn impressive

It is impressive, but it's not viable in a fight. Plus we can't really say Ren could freeze TPM Obi-Wan, sure he froze Rey who has great potential. But can you really say he'd be able to freeze a near fully trained Jedi Knight who can control the Force better than Rey? Seems unlikely.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
What superior in The Force? All he's done is knock out Rey and freezing blaster shots isn't really viable in this fight. It's also not like Obi-Wan hasn't shown things either that Kylo hasn't, so who's to say who really is superior there?

The blaster thing really isn't impressive as a display of power

If blasters destroy via kinetic energy, any jackass that can deflect them has physical strikes to match the KE of a blaster bolt. Making the fact he stopped one with TK underwhelming *especially given TK is generally > physical power in this franchise)

If they don't destroy via KE... there's no actual means to gauge the raw power of halting its motion, therefore not quantifiable.

However, blocking lightsaber strikes unarmed through the Force is impressive, especially when he's injured as badly as he was.

“The weapon went flying into the snow. Unarmed, he raised a hand and utilized the Force to fend off one slashing blow after another, until finally her fury penetrated his remaining defenses.”

^From The Force Awakens Novel

I keep forgetting that bit really of the novel. I'm pretty sure blasters are kinetic...but not entirely.

Originally posted by Trocity
That's sort of a skewed argument though when you look at how little training Luke had during the OT and he'd trash TPM Kenobi.

Ren is a Skywalker and his force power and potential are miles beyond Obi-Wan.

Hmmmm. Close fight but I'll go Ren.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Points to Kenobi beating Darth Vader pre suit who was Anakij Skywalker. Laughs.

That's ROTS Kenobi. We're talking about TPM Kenobi, the one who bisected Darth Maul.

Originally posted by Trocity
That's ROTS Kenobi. We're talking about TPM Kenobi, the one who bisected Darth Maul.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You said something about the skywalkers which isn't a legit point. They bleed like everyone else. Maul's overconfidence cost him his skill was superior.

Ren takes all rounds

Originally posted by Rebel95
Just like how Anakin's overconfidence cost him against Obi Wan, but his skill was superior.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
I keep forgetting that bit really of the novel. I'm pretty sure blasters are kinetic...but not entirely.

Either way the blaster feat is a bit feat for reasons I illustrated *shrugs*

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Obi-Wan taught a half insane, exhausted, starved, distraught, and conflicted Vader, and he was still losing. On neutral ground, which this is, he would have lost. Either way, this is about TPM Kenobi, who, aside from a few seconds, was a non-factors. He doesn't have great skill, and the environment won't save him. That's that.

Originally posted by Rebel95
Just like how Anakin's overconfidence cost him against Obi Wan, but his skill was superior.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Obi-Wan taught a half insane, exhausted, starved, distraught, and conflicted Vader, and he was still losing. On neutral ground, which this is, he would have lost. Either way, this is about TPM Kenobi, who, aside from a few seconds, was a non-factors. He doesn't have great skill, and the environment won't save him. That's that.

Honestly, rolling with the King of the Rens here.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Kylo Ren doesn't have great skill with a lightsaber either to this point. Put Maul up against Finn and Rey at the same time and he'd meek the **** out of them. Finn a sanitation worker tagged Ren's shoulder.

I'm guessing you haven't seen Finn's respect thread. He's actually not just a "sanitation worker."

I'm not sure why this "he's a sanitation worker" thing is being held over Finn's head, when before that dialogue he showed skill with blasters and melee. So he's sanitation, why does that matter? Troops get trained for combat all the same, Troopers are first and their job is 2nd.

Originally posted by Trocity
I'm guessing you haven't seen Finn's respect thread. He's actually not just a "sanitation worker."

😂

Originally posted by Zenwolf
I'm not sure why this "he's a sanitation worker" thing is being held over Finn's head, when before that dialogue he showed skill with blasters and melee. So he's sanitation, why does that matter? Troops get trained for combat all the same, Troopers are first and their job is 2nd.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He wasn't exceptional in combat and had a fair fight with Nines. He was clearly beat down. He didn't stand out amongst the Stormtroopers who Han made look pathetic on more than one occasion.

According to his background however, he did stand out among the Stormtroopers and wouldn't that be more a feat and showing how good Nines is rather than a bad showing for Finn? That and it's noted Finn was using a weapon(the lightsaber) he wasn't familiar with, unlike the shock staff.