In order to make tp work on Juggernaut have to get helmet off which is not going to be easy when surrounded by teammates I said no bfr and I consider moving the planet bfr so no I am not adding anything I am defining it. You have to get the Lasso on somebody which might work as long as it doesn't get grabbed and used against WW. Batman is not here.
Originally posted by golem370
Lasso might work might not. how does flight give them the win? Speed will help but it not an automatic win for sure
Take speed and flight for example ....whether or not you think it helps them win, at least answer this. On a KMC fight (ie they don't just land and start trading blows), how do you see team 1 laying hands on team 2?
You ask many 'how's.' Answer that one for a change. Based on KMC rules, how do most of the people in team 1 lay hands on most of the people in team 2? How does the tank tag the jet?
How many how's did I ask? I think based on the fighters fight style that it will come down to a fight not based on this KMC fighting norms this is a fight based on comic books. Superman died why because he decided to fight Doomsday head on, Sentry stalemated WWH because he went at him head on etc etc. I don't think blasts are going to be enough to win this fight I also don't think Thor or Gladiator or Wonder Woman will try and fight a ranged fight they are warriors combat is life for them. Some of these bricks are not slow.
Originally posted by golem370
How many how's did I ask? I think based on the fighters fight style that it will come down to a fight not based on this KMC fighting norms this is a fight based on comic books. Superman died why because he decided to fight Doomsday head on, Sentry stalemated WWH because he went at him head on etc etc. I don't think blasts are going to be enough to win this fight I also don't think Thor or Gladiator or Wonder Woman will try and fight a ranged fight they are warriors combat is life for them. Some of these bricks are not slow.
Blasting isn't going to work against Juggernaut or Kurse and if anything, it's going to make Hulk more powerful.
Originally posted by golem370
In order to make tp work on Juggernaut have to get helmet off which is not going to be easy when surrounded by teammates I said no bfr and I consider moving the planet bfr so no I am not adding anything I am defining it. You have to get the Lasso on somebody which might work as long as it doesn't get grabbed and used against WW. Batman is not here.
Lol, you don't understand.
Getting the helmet off ain't easy? Colossus and the X men can do it...these guys are far faster, and stronger.
What you consider BFR is pointless. They're not removing anyone from the battlefield, so its not BFR. Your definition is neither needed nor credible.
So you admit the lasso would work? You asked for 4 tactics which would work. There you go.
And Batman was used because it showed mind control works on the General. Mageddon also mind controlled the General.
So TP would also work.
As would soul suck.
Here's another: The fliers just destroy the planet. Bricks tumble through space, unable to do shiet, lol.
I mean, you just want the fliers to fight the bricks like bricks. When in fact, as they've all fought the bricks before, and aren't stupid, they WON'T do so.
Originally posted by golem370
How many how's did I ask? I think based on the fighters fight style that it will come down to a fight not based on this KMC fighting norms this is a fight based on comic books. Superman died why because he decided to fight Doomsday head on, Sentry stalemated WWH because he went at him head on etc etc. I don't think blasts are going to be enough to win this fight I also don't think Thor or Gladiator or Wonder Woman will try and fight a ranged fight they are warriors combat is life for them. Some of these bricks are not slow.
Two points.
1. Read the KMC rules on battles. For example, the rules specifically address the statement you made above (that it is a fight based on comic books and not KMC, which as an aside I found quite absurd as this IS KMC and we try to take out the PIS/CIS. Anyways, are you sure you were not Wolverine 888 at one point?)
All that aside, this is a direct post of one of the KMC rules, which negates what you were saying about characters like Sentry standing still and trading blows with characters like the Hulk.
"Full Capacity
It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first millisecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.
It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened or unusually powered up for those who have variable power levels."
2. My second point is even more simple as it is a rehash of the same question I asked you before. Based on KMC rules, how exactly would the tanks tag the jets? All the so called 'fliers' are super fast and able to move in a three-dimensional space, while the so called 'bricks' are not nearly as fast and can only.move in two dimensions. Even if the fliers had no other powers than super speed and flight (and ironically, all of the fliers are ALSO bricks ...they are just bricks that can also fly, have high level ....high level ....superspeed, and a combination of powers that would make an X-men team green with envy ....EACH) ...but even assuming all they have was superspeed and flight, how in KMC would the bricks even tag them?
Unless, of course, you are ignoring KMC rules and thus in your match up gorilla Grodd would have a chance against the Flash.
Oh wait, you did say that you are ignoring KMC rules, and that the fliers will just stand there and trade punches. In which case I wonder why you even titled the thread bricks and FLIERS?
Anyway, in a KMC fight Team 2 wins 10/10. Or, if you prefer, team 1 has a 0/10 chance of winning since per KMC rules (as posted above) the vast majority of team 1 would not even see team 2 move.
But hey, if we're using comic rules, then yes. Team 1 wins. Does that give you the answer you were originally looking for when you created the thread? I'll do one better ...under comics rules team 1 stomps! How's that?
But under KMC rules, the tanks would never see the jets (and what's hilariously ironic is that the jets are as powerful as the tanks ...just with extra abilities). Reminds me of sharknado actually ...just when you thought sharks were bad enough, they're flying through the air inside tornados!
Or to put it another way ....just for you Wolverine 888 ....imagine I create a thread.
HULK VS HULK 2
Thus, two hulks fighting. However, Hulk 2 can fly, can move at high level super speed, can matter manipulate, and has a host of other powers as well. Basically, Hulk 2 is the same as Hulk 1 ....but Hulk 2 ALSO has the powers of a combined X-men team (with those powers amped up).
Then imagine someone saying Hulk 1 wins.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol, you don't understand.Getting the helmet off ain't easy? Colossus and the X men can do it...these guys are far faster, and stronger.
What you consider BFR is pointless. They're not removing anyone from the battlefield, so its not BFR. Your definition is neither needed nor credible.
So you admit the lasso would work? You asked for 4 tactics which would work. There you go.
And Batman was used because it showed mind control works on the General. Mageddon also mind controlled the General.
So TP would also work.
As would soul suck.
Here's another: The fliers just destroy the planet. Bricks tumble through space, unable to do shiet, lol.
I mean, you just want the fliers to fight the bricks like bricks. When in fact, as they've all fought the bricks before, and aren't stupid, they WON'T do so.
They aren't getting the helmet off of Juggernaut. A full powered Juggernaut is not feeling their blows.
Re: Bricks vs Fliers face off
Originally posted by golem370
Alright this is a battle to determine which type is best. No bfrBricks
WWH
Gog/Wars Doomsday
Amp One Kurse aka Beyonder amping Kurse to Twice Thor's strength
Tutinax
Pitt
The General
Classic Juggernautvs
Fliers
Superman(Pre-DCNU)
Wonder Woman(DCNU)
Gladiator
Thor Odinson
Squadron Sinister Hyperion
Sentry
Blue Marvel
Geez, this is one galaxy shattering fight. Not sure what kind of terrain could contain such a fight. Pitt and Tutinex are going to be big problems in this setting.
I don't know, I want to give them the slight edge. Juggs would have to be depowered although Jarnbjorn might work. The edge the flying bricks has in intelligence. Couldn't someone figure out to get away from Tutinex? Find out how Pitt's pain powers work? Toss up.