Valkorion vs The Son

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S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Point being, any of them (Father, Son, Daughter, Abeloth) are well beyond any Sith or Jedi (which includes Valkorion, Sidious, Yoda, and Luke as much as some people don't want it to).

1. Anakin Skywalker brought both the Son and the Daughter to their knees with focus.
2. Luke Skywalker destroyed an avatar of Abeloth [1 on 1]. Jedi and Sith (collectively) defeated Abeloth.

I do not get the stupendous hype that have been bestowed to these characters by fans.

The Ones and Abeloth are supposed to ruin the galaxy with their powers but we do not get to see such powers when they are unleashed. In-fact, they were not much battle-tested. When they ventured outside and/or sought external meddling, they were stopped just like any threat.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
1. Anakin Skywalker brought both Son and Daughter to their knees with proper focus.
And because they were on the most powerful force nexus in the universe(ie. Mortis.) Had it not been for that, Anakin would have been powerless against them(Chosen One or not.) Even the Father said that he brought his children to Mortis, because it was the only place he could control them.

Additionally, it was only after the Son encountered Anakin that he realized his potential. IOW, he was arguably more powerful afterward(which could explain why Anakin couldn't/didn't overpower him later on.) /shrug

FreshestSlice Eternal Commander

Lulz. The Son and Daughter use Mortis too. Anakin won because of Oneness. Either way, DMN doesn't mean Anakin at his full potential. He means what we've actually seen. Finally, Anakin couldn't defeat afterwards because he was being hindered emotionally and lacked said Oneness he had before.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Lulz. The Son and Daughter use Mortis too.
Lulz. Did I say otherwise? Lulz.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Finally, Anakin couldn't defeat afterwards because he was being hindered emotionally and lacked said Oneness he had before.
Lulz. Perhaps, but was that stated anywhere in the episodes? Lulz Lulz.

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Lulz. And Anakin definitely did NOT appear the slightest bit 'emotionally hindered' when he confronted the Son toward the end of the arc, yet he was still dominated effortlessly. Perhaps the aforementioned 'Oneness' was a one-off that he simply never tried accessing again? Lulz Lulz Lulz.

Tondemonai Senior Member

Anakin awakened his 'truest/full potential) when he did that to the Son. The father stated that he would eventually become more powerful than even the Father or his children could ever be. So when he was on Mortis he could have literally soloed the entire mythos. This is an exaggeration but still.

Tondemonai Senior Member

Rip Deronn Solo

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by Tondemonai
Anakin awakened his 'truest/full potential) when he did that to the Son. The father stated that he would eventually become more powerful than even the Father or his children could ever be. So when he was on Mortis he could have literally soloed the entire mythos. This is an exaggeration but still.
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It's clear that Anakin could have potentially become what the Father was in his prime. His connection to the force/Mortis > all.

FreshestSlice Eternal Commander

I like how Galan tried to ruin my favorite word with semantics and nitpicking, especially ignoring the fact that Mortis was a trying time for everyone, and all were under serious duress. And no, Oneness is an actual concept. It doesn't work how you're trying to describe it.

Deronn_solo King Yami

Originally posted by Tondemonai
Rip Deronn Solo

^.^

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
I like how Galan tried to ruin my favorite word with semantics and nitpicking, especially ignoring the fact that Mortis was a trying time for everyone, and all were under serious duress.
It is not nitpicking/semantics to simply point out facts from the episode.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
And no, Oneness is an actual concept. It doesn't work how you're trying to describe it.
I'm describing it as a depth of his power that he has to consciously access by letting go of his various hinderances... Which is 100% correct. That much was proven in the first episode of the arc, via statements from the Father and Kenobi.

Tondemonai Senior Member

It's not Oneness, it'd just Anakin reaching his peak possible potential. It's not the same as what Luke experienced when he achieved true Oneness.; mildly similar but not the same in any regard. Oneness is a state one reaches when they become truly connect to the Force on the deepest level. What Anakin experienced was his true potential being unlocked by the power and influence radiating from Mortis.

FreshestSlice Eternal Commander

Unless there is something that says, "Anakin's true potential excludes glowing eyes " I'm not sure how that disproves it was Oneness.

XSUPREMEXSKILLZ The Immortal Emperor

Zu'u lorot Valkorion kron daar.

JKBart Restricted

everyone in this thread sans Skillz has my permission to die 🙂

The Ellimist The Shadow
Originally posted by Tondemonai
Tbh, Valkorion could potentially survive for a solid couple minutes. Still not gonna win tho.

Lol

Tondemonai Senior Member
Originally posted by Tondemonai
Tbh, Valkorion could potentially survive for a solid couple minutes. Still not gonna win tho.

Rip self

Geistalt SilenceThatSpeaksVolumes
Originally posted by SunRazer
The Son twists Valkorion's head around with a gesture.
GM Yoda Senior Member

Son curbstomps.

Ursumeles Traitor

The Son stomps harder, than Chris Brown stomped Rihanna.