Taskmaster -Vs- Bane

Originally posted by -K-M-
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t461496.html

"Character Induced Stupidity, or CIS, on the other hand, refers to any natural mental limitations that characters impose upon themselves and reduce their ability to use their own skills and powers effectively. Unlike PIS, CIS does not occur because the plot requires it, but because the character is genuinely that dumb. Examples of the CIS-afflicted include characters such as Rhino or Jar Jar Binks. Events of CIS are not exempt from debates."

Lulz at the irony you arguing CIS.

Ah........and you point is?? On second thought, it really isn't CIS so much as it's WIS. Taskmaster isn't stupid, yet what he did wasn't drooling stupid. So what's your take, he's always as stupid as depicted in the scenario or not? Try to be honest this time.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Ah........and you point is?? On second thought, it really isn't CIS so much as it's WIS. Taskmaster isn't stupid, yet what he did wasn't drooling stupid. So what's your take, he's always as stupid as depicted in the scenario or not? Try to be honest this time.

Tasky running away falls into CIS is what I have been saying from the start. Also wow honestly your comprehension is terrible. The key sentence is "Character Induced Stupidity, or CIS, on the other hand, refers to any natural mental limitations that characters impose upon themselves and reduce their ability to use their own skills and powers effectively." I repeat...mental limitations. The rest of the post is tongue in cheek hence why he even mentioned Jar Jar Binks. What happened with X-23 is a mental lapse

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Character Induced STUPIDITY

Taskmaster acting as if the new Wolverine wasn't going to deploy her claws is STUPID, especially since she had them out second ago!

Taskmaster outclassing Venom one on one is BEASTLY.

So yeah, I brought up two dissimilar situations for two different reasons.

Bane ripped someone apart who was tearing up the Bat family. Yet Batman beating bane makes since? Despite Bane being a legit meta right now? Do you not know how batman comics work? Batman will always win in the end against his rouges no matter what the circumstances. And times he loses they'll rewrite him like he had a giant boost in physical abilities and then have him win at worse odds then he was before. Batman is one of kings of PIS/CIS when it comes to fights

Venom who is stronger and faster is getting taken on by taskmaster isn't PIS to you? And taskmaster didn't do ANY damage to venom until he used he weakness. And the ONLY reason he avoided him is because he had planned it ahead of time.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Post where I said he ISN'T a good fighter? Because I can post close to 10 examples where I say he is. How dumb are you?

Won't admit???? I was the one who first mentioned it and told Almighty to ADD IT TO THE RESPECT THREAD. You tried to pull a fast one and outright lied about the context. You did. I on the other hand said right from the start it was a good feat, yet you neglected to add the context and said he didn't run...when he did.

Honestly, what level of reading and comprehension are you at? I'm generally shocked.

This is what you said in the context of this match with Bane:

As per taskmaster himself he isn't much of a fighter. That's why he often runs in the middle of his fights.

Only this is your OPINION which you stated as fact. And don't give me your crap about his quote. Your explanation of his statement doesn't make the entire statement a fact. That's what is know as a lie.

Secondly, you said this in response to me saying that Tasky tendency to flee has nothing to do with his fighting ability:

It 100% has everything to do with his abilities. He has this skills but as he makes mention many times he is not much of a fighter. That's why he predominantly trains people.

"It 100% has everything to do with his abilities. Now please don't lie because you are already busted. You are CLEARLY referencing his lack of fighting ability. That's the only way your statement makes any sense You could have said something like "He's a great fighter, but he tends to run away a lot," but that's not what you said. Again, you are saying runs because he doesn't have the ability to compete. Now I don't know what has gotten into that clear Canadian air but you have to know when you are caught. You should sleep soundly tonight with that off your chest.

Wow this exploded since I went away.

Firstly, the X-23 thing.

I mean yeah that wasn't an amazing showing, but at the same time he was pretty much manhandling her until she crippled him due to him not knowing about her third claw. The fact is yeah, as a normal human if someone essentially rips his hand in two he's going to then have issues. But until that point he casually countered everything she did whilst lecturing her about it. So it's still a pretty good skill showing, albeit not a good one for his durability (which has never been particularly great anyway).

Still as for the whole not a fighter thing, I'd say there's a difference between the time he said 'I'm not a fighter' in Moon Knight which was just a bit weird when compared to the many times he has enjoyed fighting, and the fact he's smart about running away when the odds are not in his favour, which is a completely in character thing.

Basically, he's generally portrayed as happy and confident with fighting, BUT smart enough to run away if it's not going well. Hell his whole character is based around the fact he is supremely capable but also not an idiot supervillain who gets caught up in things.

Now the question here is can he run away from a vs fight? I would move towards no as it's an isolated incident outside of any story stuff that would make running away a sensible course of action.

The fact is it;'s a good fight and a difficult one for both. If Bane gets a hold of him it's all over for Taskmaster. On the other hand, depending on his gear Taskmaster can seriously hurt Bane before they get into h2h, and once they are in h2h distance is quick enough and deadly enough to really hurt Bane.

Either way, it's still a good fight.

Originally posted by Decter
Bane ripped someone apart who was tearing up the Bat family. Yet Batman beating bane makes since? Despite Bane being a legit meta right now? Do you not know how batman comics work? Batman will always win in the end against his rouges no matter what the circumstances. And times he loses they'll rewrite him like he had a giant boost in physical abilities and then have him win at worse odds then he was before. Batman is one of kings of PIS/CIS when it comes to fights

Venom who is stronger and faster is getting taken on by taskmaster isn't PIS to you? And taskmaster didn't do ANY damage to venom until he used he weakness. And the ONLY reason he avoided him is because he had planned it ahead of time.

Excuse me? What do you mean it didn't do any "damage" to him? What evidence to you need of damage? He sliced him then stabbed him and Venom is doubled over in pain. And how do you explain Valkyrie's statement that Taskmaster was too fast for Venom and they needed to help? It's not CIS, that's the take the writer had on the two characters. And if it was, then you can't say no damage was done. Can't have it both ways. Bottom line is that it happened and it's a very good showing for Tasky against an opponent two tier above him.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
This is what you said in the context of this match with Bane:

As per taskmaster himself he isn't much of a fighter. That's why he often runs in the middle of his fights.

Only this is your OPINION which you stated as fact. And don't give me your crap about his quote. Your explanation of his statement doesn't make the entire statement a fact. That's what is know as a lie.

Secondly, you said this in response to me saying that Tasky tendency to flee has nothing to do with his fighting ability:

It 100% has everything to do with his abilities. He has this skills but as he makes mention many times he is not much of a fighter. That's why he predominantly trains people.

"It 100% has everything to do with his abilities. Now please don't lie because you are already busted. You are CLEARLY referencing his lack of fighting ability. That's the only way your statement makes any sense You could have said something like "He's a great fighter, but he tends to run away a lot," but that's not what you said. Again, you are saying runs because he doesn't have the ability to compete. Now I don't know what has gotten into that clear Canadian air but you have to know when you are caught. You should sleep soundly tonight with that off your chest.

Incorect that's what HE SAID even posted the scan. Hell I repeated that multiple times now yet you cant grasp it. Also why don't you post my entire quote?

Originally posted by -K-M-
As per taskmaster himself he isn't much of a fighter. That's why he often runs in the middle of his fights.

He also has loses to Puck, Moon Knight, Deadpool and others. He's good but you guys are making it like Bane has no chance which is untrue

and why did I say that again? oh your post which you said "It takes a Cap/BP/Ironfist level fighter to counter Tasky's photo reflexes" which isn't true.

I even posted the rules of the board. Him fleeing is applied to CIS. CIS applies to his abilities as in MENTAL ABILITIES AS IN MENTAL LIMINTATIONS. Also why don't you post the quotes where I say HE IS A GOOD FIGHTER??? I repeat it not once but multiple times yet you seem to think the opposite of what is stated. Hence your reading and comprehension is terrible. God youre dumb

Also if the argument is Taskmaster might not be able to hurt Bane and the Venom showing isn't good enough, he's literally thrown around and hurt Iron Man with his shield hits before. And has killed multiple Asgardians and been able to fight/block hits from Hogun and Fandral.

And I guess that very weird panel in Avengers Initiative Siege arc where he seemed to hurt Thor with a shield hit. But that was super weird,

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Excuse me? What do you mean it didn't do any "damage" to him? What evidence to you need of damage? He sliced him then stabbed him and Venom is doubled over in pain. And how do you explain Valkyrie's statement that Taskmaster was too fast for Venom and they needed to help? It's not CIS, that's the take the writer had on the two characters. And if it was, then you can't say no damage was done. Can't have it both ways. Bottom line is that it happened and it's a very good showing for Tasky against an opponent two tier above him.

He didn't do any damage until he used venoms weakness against him. Uh, spiderman was once stated the only be outmatched in strength by Thing, Hulk and Thor. Sentry and Odin were stated omnipotent. ****ing Nate grey and Sentry apprently fought Galactus. How do you explain that shit?

Take out the writer and venom would have blitzed and sodomized Taskmaster.

Also learn how to read. I said he didn't do any damage until he used venoms weakness

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
Wow this exploded since I went away.

Firstly, the X-23 thing.

I mean yeah that wasn't an amazing showing, but at the same time he was pretty much manhandling her until she crippled him due to him not knowing about her third claw. The fact is yeah, as a normal human if someone essentially rips his hand in two he's going to then have issues. But until that point he casually countered everything she did whilst lecturing her about it. So it's still a pretty good skill showing, albeit not a good one for his durability (which has never been particularly great anyway).

Still as for the whole not a fighter thing, I'd say there's a difference between the time he said 'I'm not a fighter' in Moon Knight which was just a bit weird when compared to the many times he has enjoyed fighting, and the fact he's smart about running away when the odds are not in his favour, which is a completely in character thing.

Basically, he's generally portrayed as happy and confident with fighting, BUT smart enough to run away if it's not going well. Hell his whole character is based around the fact he is supremely capable but also not an idiot supervillain who gets caught up in things.

Now the question here is can he run away from a vs fight? I would move towards no as it's an isolated incident outside of any story stuff that would make running away a sensible course of action.

The fact is it;'s a good fight and a difficult one for both. If Bane gets a hold of him it's all over for Taskmaster. On the other hand, depending on his gear Taskmaster can seriously hurt Bane before they get into h2h, and once they are in h2h distance is quick enough and deadly enough to really hurt Bane.

Either way, it's still a good fight.

I thought it was a third claw!! I just wasn't sure because after that, she still only deployed the two outer claws. NOW the scene makes a tons of sense. I guess Abby didn't know what the hell he was going on before he trolled over here to throw grease on the fire, but that's pretty typical. And thanks for pointing out that up until the unexpected third claw appeared, he was owning her and telling her about it!!

Anyway, read the thread because your buddy here seems to be misrepresenting your stances on several things, carefully cutting and pasting the excerpts that he thinks are useful to him. Ask far as you take on the fight, I completely agree, but I think it's very unlikely that Bane gets a hold of him. It's like saying Bane would easily get a hold of Spiderman. I think what K M is either forgetting or ignoring is that the fights are full potential within character. Well he's got them both wrong because he doesn't seem to envision Tasky fighting at full potential in which he's a beast and he is misrepresenting his character in terms of his motivation for running, which is too avoid JAIL. In forum fights, no one is going to jail and Tasky isn't running.

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
Wow this exploded since I went away.

Still as for the whole not a fighter thing, I'd say there's a difference between the time he said 'I'm not a fighter' in Moon Knight which was just a bit weird when compared to the many times he has enjoyed fighting, and the fact he's smart about running away when the odds are not in his favour, which is a completely in character thing.

Basically, he's generally portrayed as happy and confident with fighting, BUT smart enough to run away if it's not going well. Hell his whole character is based around the fact he is supremely capable but also not an idiot supervillain who gets caught up in things.

Now the question here is can he run away from a vs fight? I would move towards no as it's an isolated incident outside of any story stuff that would make running away a sensible course of action.

The fact is it;'s a good fight and a difficult one for both. If Bane gets a hold of him it's all over for Taskmaster. On the other hand, depending on his gear Taskmaster can seriously hurt Bane before they get into h2h, and once they are in h2h distance is quick enough and deadly enough to really hurt Bane.

Either way, it's still a good fight.

UUUUUH THAT'S WHAT I HAVE BEEN SAYING

Also no I NEVER said Bane would win due to Tasky fleeing but more akin to his mental fortitude or it got to tough so he fled. More to the fact that falls into CIS and it's in his character to not like hard fights.

Blue just has piss poor reading comprehension

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Anyway, read the thread because your buddy here seems to be misrepresenting your stances on several things, carefully cutting and pasting the excerpts that he thinks are useful to him. Ask far as you take on the fight, I completely agree, but I think it's very unlikely that Bane gets a hold of him. It's like saying Bane would easily get a hold of Spiderman. I think what K M is either forgetting or ignoring is that the fights are full potential within character. Well he's got them both wrong because he doesn't seem to envision Tasky fighting at full potential in which he's a beast and he is misrepresenting his character in terms of his motivation for running, which is too avoid JAIL. In forum fights, no one is going to jail and Tasky isn't running.

He literally just repeated what I have been saying from the start. Again your reading comprehension is terrible

Originally posted by Decter
He didn't do any damage until he used venoms weakness against him. Uh, spiderman was once stated the only be outmatched in strength by Thing, Hulk and Thor. Sentry and Odin were stated omnipotent. ****ing Nate grey and Sentry apprently fought Galactus. How do you explain that shit?

Take out the writer and venom would have blitzed and sodomized Taskmaster.

Also learn how to read. I said he didn't do any damage until he used venoms weakness

I know what you wrote and I know that you are wrong. He was damaged. You see, a sword has a sharp edge and when struck with force, that sharp edge cuts. He was CUTTING Venom and Venom was feeling PAIN. Pain due to cutting = damage. Please don't make this desperate argument.

Oh, and for the second time, how do you explain Val's statement? Don't avoid the question this time, the spotlight is on.

Originally posted by -K-M-
UUUUUH THAT'S WHAT I HAVE BEEN SAYING

Also no I NEVER said Bane would win due to Tasky fleeing but more akin to his mental fortitude or it got to tough so he fled. More to the fact that falls into CIS and it's in his character to not like hard fights.

Blue just has piss poor reading comprehension

Ha, you are lying again, slick!! I can't quote you all day long:

As per the rules it would make the fight forfeited and would be classified as a lose

You are saying he typically runs from "tough" fights and then you follow up by saying that should he run, it counts as a loss- but you aren't saying he loses because of running? 😂
Dude, I already got in my one Canada joke and I won't do another, but DAMN you aren't the sharpest knife in the draw!

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
I know what you wrote and I know that you are wrong. He was damaged. You see, a sword has a sharp edge and when struck with force, that sharp edge cuts. He was CUTTING Venom and Venom was feeling PAIN. Pain due to cutting = damage. Please don't make this desperate argument.

Oh, and for the second time, how do you explain Val's statement? Don't avoid the question this time, the spotlight is on.

A teen boy would say something like ouch to if he was stung by a wasp. Pain? Yes. Any major damage that would even weaken him in the least? No. Venom was still standing there taking every hit until his weakness came into play. That's like saying since spiderman kicked Thanos in the face he did damage.

I like how you say for me not ignore the statement yet you ignored my examples of statements being untrustworthy. Also, I like how this one statement you keep mentioning has to be taken into account yet you COMPLETELY disregarded and ignored tasky's own statement that he isn't much of a fighter. Strange how that works right? I bet you think superman can really lift infinity 😐

Also If that statement was true then why was Tasky worried, and why did he run away before venom got back up?

Originally posted by -K-M-
He literally just repeated what I have been saying from the start. Again your reading comprehension is terrible

Um, no he didn't. First of all, your main two points, A that he runs from "tough fights" and B he is likely to run because he runs most of the time and this counts as CIS were not echoed by him. He's showed more respect for the characters skills and gave a far more balanced analysis of how a fight between them might go. He was consistent, he didn't contradict himself, he didn't mix arguments, he didn't lie, he didn't backtrack. He also pointed out that the statement appeared to be inconsistent with his portrayal as a willing, confident fighter and placed a greater emphasis on showings rather than statements.

PS- Sorry, you didn't say shit about "mental fortitude" the first time around! Nice try.

Originally posted by Decter
A teen boy would say something like ouch to if he was stung by a wasp. Pain? Yes. Any major damage that would even weaken him in the least? No. Venom was still standing there taking every hit until his weakness came into play. That's like saying since spiderman kicked Thanos in the face he did damage.

Oh, and by the way, you apparently don't know the difference between being

I like how you say for me not ignore the statement yet you ignored my examples of statements being untrustworthy. Also, I like how this one statement you keep mentioning has to be taken into account yet you COMPLETELY disregarded and ignored tasky's own statement that he isn't much of a fighter. Strange how that works right? I bet you think superman can really lift infinity 😐

Also If that statement was true then why was Tasky worried, and why did he run away before venom got back up?

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But I didn't ignore his statement, I spoke to it several times. Why lie? I'm not going to quote myself, it's your job to follow the conversation. But you did of course ignore Val's statement for the third time!! To scare, huh? Don't ask me anything else until you find the courage to address the statement, kay? Oh, and by the way, getting slashed and stabbed with a sword is not the same as getting "hit."

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Ha, you are lying again, slick!! I can't quote you all day long:

As per the rules it would make the fight forfeited and would be classified as a lose

You are saying he typically runs from "tough" fights and then you follow up by saying that should he run, it counts as a loss- but you aren't saying he loses because of running? 😂
Dude, I already got in my one Canada joke and I won't do another, but DAMN you aren't the sharpest knife in the draw!

God your dumb and why did I say that? Oh because you said if you flee that makes a fight inconclusive....FALSE

Your quote...

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
And that would be an INCONCLUSIVE fight like I said, not a loss. You want a mod ruling on this?

My response....

Originally posted by -K-M-
As per the rules it would make the fight forfeited and would be classified as a lose

If someone flees from a fight on their own free will that's not inconclusive that's a lose. Now show me where I said that's where it will happen here in this fight. Honestly you really need to learn how to read and understand words a lot better.

FROM THE RULES
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t461496.html

"Leaving the field
Combatants who leave the field of combat on purpose forfeit the match. If they are removed from the arena against their will (being punched, thrown, teleported, etc.) and can make it back under their own power in a reasonable amount of time, then they are still in the fight. Obviously, if a combatant leaves the field and cannot return under their own power, then they have lost."

He does run from tough fights, which has been agreed by people here except you

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Um, no he didn't. First of all, you main two points, A that he runs from "tough fights" and B he is likely to run because he runs most of the time and this counts as CIS were not echoed by him. He's showed more respect for the characters skills and gave a far more balanced analysis of how a fight between them might go. He was consistent, he didn't contradict himself, he didn't mix arguments, he didn't lie, he didn't backtrack. He also pointed out that the statement appeared to be inconsistent with his portrayal as a willing, confident fighter and placed a greater emphasis on showings rather than statements.

" and the fact he's smart about running away when the odds are not in his favour, which is a completely in character thing."

The rest of your post is your comprehension fails.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
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But I didn't ignore his statement, I spoke to it several times. Why lie? I'm not going to quote myself, it's your job to follow the conversation. But you did of course ignore Val's statement for the third time!! To scare, huh? Don't ask me anything else until you find the courage to address the statement, kay? Oh, and by the way, getting slashed and stabbed with a sword is not the same as getting "hit."

Man KM is right. You are dumb. You repeatedly tried getting around that and then tried to disregard it by using the "only written one time by one writer" shit. Same thing that goes with this. Look at that, you again ignore the many points I've already made that statements are unreliable as ****. Yet what actual damage did he even do to Venom? Like I said a teen boy would say ouch to if he got stung by a wasp.

The irony is real. I give points that statements are BS most of the time and you still ignore that. Also if that was true then why was Tasky worried and why did he flee before venom got up? Because when Spidey got serious with him one time all it took was one punch to make tasky run away. Tasky can't beat a serious spidey yet sombody who is more physically dominant can't do the same?

Like I said it's like the Bane and Superman showings. Fighting characters out of their tiers gets people no where in a debate

Also no. The ball is in your court. I countered that statement with the fact that Tasky did not want to fight Venom when he got up and then I mentioned several other statements that are completely BS.