Obama or Putin -- who is the better leader?

Originally posted by Tzeentch
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-02-16/putin-lets-russian-consumers-feel-the-pain-as-economy-succumbs

https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2014/country-chapters/russia

https://www.rt.com/politics/russian-terrorism-investigator-committee-993/

The Russian economy is in shambles, its citizens are oppressed en masse on a daily basis and it gets rocked by dozens of terrorist attacks annually.

Despite these facts, people will claim that Putin is a good leader because he was willing to drag his country into two expensive fights that Russia has neither the power-projection nor the resources to actually win. Why do people make this claim? Because they're idiots, obviously.

Stigma my homeboy, you're back.

Originally posted by Stigma
Norway, Switzerland, UK (?), Poland, Iceland may not want to trade tbh. 🙂

Ooh, yea, Norway... forgot about Scandenavia ^^

Pretty sure the UK would trade, though.

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Regardless, let's go back to the topic on hand: Obama vs Putin.

Economy is one side of the coin. What about the things that they get done, both domestically and internationally.

Who is more successful in that regard?

Obama got the ACA and financial stimulus done. Internationally, he got Osama and, got a nuclear deal with the Iranians (something his predecessors tried and failed to do).

Putin... has had a very long career, so he's done a lot of stuff, but some of the stuff has not gone well, I would say the Ukrainian intervention has backfired badly.

Internally, frankly I couldn't tell you what reforms he's made, how successful they were, or the level of internal opposition he's had to face in doing them.

I agree that Ukrainian crisis was Putin's largest mistake so far. He should have never go into Ukraine.