Bernie Sanders or Hilary Clinton -- who would be a better president?

Who do you think would do a better job at being the US president and why?

Give reasons and stay civil during the discussion, my friends.

Sanders would push for more measures that actually benefit the average erixan citizen, but Hillary would likely get more stuff actually done.

Bernie is a good guy in the areas he knows, but he has a few problem areas- namely, he's against foreign trade deals, and against the Federal Reserve- that could cause notable damage. Also, he's not very strong on foreign policy. Remember how when asked about Isis, he just tried to move the conversation back to domestic economic reform?

Hillary's experienced in pretty much every area, doesn't have any major stance problems akin to Bernie's view on the federal reserve. She's a seasoned professional who, in policy terms, is quite solid all around.

A lot of Bernie's big goals require congressional approval too. And, if he did get in it'd likely only be if there was a major liberal wave that brought congress around, but without that he'd find his major goals deadlocked.

So, I like Bernie, but I vote Hillary.

Originally posted by Tzeentch
Sanders would push for more measures that actually benefit the average erixan citizen, but Hillary would likely get more stuff actually done.

I was going to say pretty much exactly this.

Hillary in her over decade long time as a public servant has accomplished just shy of nothing, Sanders has a solid chance of spurring a nationalistic isolationist movement. I feel his economic stances are a bit naive though.

Originally posted by Henry_Pym
Sanders has a solid chance of spurring a nationalistic isolationist movement. I feel his economic stances are a bit naive though.

The thing about spurring a movement... I'm really glad he's in the primary and framing the conversation on that, but I don't think he could pull it off even if he was president.

As for Hillary's accomplishments, there's things like the Global Hunger and Food Security program, State Children's Health Insurance Program, made an office in the DoJ to handle violence against women, laying a lot of the groundwork for the Iran deal, helped do the WEAmericas initiative in South America and the African Women’s Entrepreneurship Program to help in those countries, and improved the rating of the Department of State from one of the poorest run departments to one of the highest.

To be sure, she doesn't have any huge successes or programs on the level of the ACA, but considering the next president is unlikely to have the opportunity to push such a program anyway, I'm fine with solidly running things and getting numbers of small things done despite opposition.

Neither would do a good job. Much more appropriate question to ask is "who would be worse?". I'd have to say Hillary but any Republican candidate other than perhaps Bush would be better than either one of them. 👆

Originally posted by Tzeentch
Sanders would push for more measures that actually benefit the average erixan citizen, but Hillary would likely get more stuff actually done.

Her in Office would make republicans rally and block all her deals. She would get nothing done.

Sanders actually could work with republicans and get stuff done.

I would prefer Sanders over Hillary, easily. I don't agree with some of Sander's ideas (and Q99 pointed out 2 of them that I had in mind).

But...hey! Maybe Hillary can get us true universal healthcare? She was helping push it back in...oh.....1994, iirc? If she delivers on something like that and the program is effective, I'd forgive all of the other bullshit (such as her warmongering immature/infantile foreign policy). Just give us a true universal healthcare option...please?

Sanders has a better tax plan, imo.

http://www.ontheissues.org/celeb/Hillary_Clinton_Tax_Reform.htm

Honestly, Hillary has some decent ideas on tax reform. But it is just bandaids on lacerations.

But Sanders reforms seem to be one or two notches above Hillary's. And they seem like more mature ideas, too.

http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Bernie_Sanders_Tax_Reform.htm

For those of you who want to be informed on the issues, read both of the damn links. All of it. 😐

The real tax reform we need is a flat tax. Then after a flat tax, then a purely excise tax system like Texas (but we gotta take baby steps).

Dreamy

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Her in Office would make republicans rally and block all her deals. She would get nothing done.

Sanders actually could work with republicans and get stuff done.

The same Republicans who will not even work with Democrats in their own branch of government, working with a Socialist? Not going to happen.

Twenty-four Republican Senators are up for re-election next November, and unlike Sanders, Clinton is raising money for Democratic tickets, because she realizes that in this political climate, a Democratic president can only get things done with the support of a Democratic legislature. The thought did not even occur to Sanders, which shows that outside of his economic vision, he is completely out of his political depth. That is why tries to steer every question from gun safety to police violence to terrorism back to the economy.

Whichever one will let me use my credit card to pay for lotto tickets.

Bernie Sanders.

Good luck pushing any reforms with Hilary at the helm. 😂