DARKSAINT85 vs SMURPH (mid-herald tournament)

DarkSaint85 wrote on Dec 21st, 2015 09:06 AM:Opening

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Cable and BA, eh? Interesting. Coupled with Smurph, truly a fearsome combo, oh my!

I have drafted an Imperiex Probe, the Aquarian, and Fate.

Imperiex probes
Ah yes, the 2000s. Jeph Loeb was in his DC heyday. Linkin Park ruled the radio. It was a happier time, a simpler time. Jennifer Garner was an action star in the making. The Matrix was getting two sequels back-to-back.

And Imperiex was waging destruction across the DC galaxy. With the help of his probes.

These probes were all created in the same manner - from Imperiex himself:
http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/probe1.jpg

A random probe’s shell, used in the construction of the Aegis armour, was strong enough to tank the Omega Effect -Darkseid’s best. Note, this was a random probe:
http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/entropyaegis3.jpg

One probe was enough to take out Plas, MM, GL, Flash:
http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/probejla12.jpg

One probe each was enough to take out General Zod and Ignition, the Titans, and the Outsiders:
http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/probemisc1-1.jpg

Incidentally, the probe that took the Titans out? Had the speed and strength to match a speedblitzing Superman:
http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/probesupes14.jpg

And Superman suffered a broken arm thanks to it:
http://postimg.org/image/vcvj308lv/

Single probes were taking out the entirety of General Zod’s forces, and the world:
http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/probemisc1-1.jpg

Dismisses Maxima:
http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/probegordanian4.jpg

Three probes fought an army of Amazo’s, Metal Men, Hourmen and Red Tornadoes:
http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/probemisc10.jpg
http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/probemisc11.jpg

Kills Guy Gardner:
http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/probejla13.jpg

A Superman in the midst of cutting loose, COMBINED with Mongul, only staggered a random one, who then one-shot Mongul:
http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/probemongul3.jpg
http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/probemongul4.jpg

Superman, cutting loose, managed to crack its armour with a combo of HV, ice breath and punching, making it detonate:
http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/probesupes5.jpg
http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/probesupes6.jpg
http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/probesupes7.jpg

So what? One will notice that they all look different - but, NO hint that they were specialised probes.

Is this enough to say that they are all different?

Does this even matter?

Why don’t we focus on the similarities between ALL the probes, and go from there?

Here, the greatest boffins of the DCU say: their only weakness is cracking their armour. So, common to ALL probes:
http://postimg.org/image/xiptxic2b/

And this is borne out by all their defeats. Hippolyta took two out, using the Lasso of Truth (unbreakable, plus the Gauntlets of Ares, the Sandals of Hermes AND special armour):
http://postimg.org/image/o0q2xgqdv/
http://postimg.org/image/r8ukaicnn/
http://postimg.org/image/fmf1n4eqb/

Aquaman took one out using the trident of Neptune, Diana took one out with her shield, AFTER using her axe AND further HV from Superman:
http://postimg.org/image/dpdq4syoj/

And Supes took some out as well:
http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/probesupes6.jpg

And of course, the ‘low’ showing, Black Lightning took one out after focussing a nuclear explosion directly at a point on a probe. Note, Luthor’s tech, amped by B13, was already weakening the probe BEFORE BL attacked:
http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/probejla17.jpg

So what can we establish? No matter their colours and shown abilities, they ALL had the same, ONE weakness. Crack their armour. Sure, the AMOUNT Of energy needed to crack them MAY vary, but they only had one weakness.

I add the Aquarian to my build:

The Aquarian
The famous Wundarr, the Aquarian. Has the power to cancel ALL forms of energy within his null-field:
http://postimg.org/image/xlifsgdjn/

All forms:
http://postimg.org/image/5u7bkcxhv/

Hyperbole, right? Note how he wasn’t even paying attention - the field is always on. Here, it cancels kinetic:
http://postimg.org/image/dyaubcuj7/
http://postimg.org/image/g5f2z9ztf/

Sound (from Klaw, one of THE premier sound manipulators):
http://postimg.org/image/ocbo4lf9v/

Without meaning to, he cancels out the Quantum Bands of Quasar:
http://postimg.org/image/mbbxsa4cz/
http://postimg.org/image/6bta8q8b7/

Note how, once he realises Quasar is there, he stops him casually in mid-air. Note too, the distance between them.

What else can he cancel?

How about a cosmic cube?
http://postimg.org/image/xhffkptar/

Even a global warper, warping reality, couldn’t do squat:
http://postimg.org/image/ksl511n6b/
http://postimg.org/image/q6jx8lcwj/
http://postimg.org/image/9zi869v9v/

What else can this field do? It can shut powers off, as well - EVEN WHEN HE IS UNAWARE OF IT (as seen before, and again here):
http://postimg.org/image/6r95fhjmb/
http://postimg.org/image/qyr6lj6hf/
http://postimg.org/image/bftqoey6r/

Note the Thing having his powers shut off.

And here he is, depowering others:
http://postimg.org/image/nb28nzjir/

So what?? Surely he would shut his own powers off too?

Nope:
http://postimg.org/image/hbnobtdhv/

His own powers and abilities are not affected.

He can project this field a good distance away from him, too:
http://postimg.org/image/452tq176b/

How far? Well, when he had JUST woken up, he was able to shut the entire Pegasus Project down - all energy was locked down. Even the Nth Man, a multidimensional being, was being affected:
http://postimg.org/image/p5o9x7lar/
http://postimg.org/image/wztgwcihf/

The ENTIRE Pegasus Project. This is what it’s size is like:
http://postimg.org/image/v6hdgjij7/

And in his first appearance with his new powers, he could shut it down.

Note, however - I’m up against God Cable. Sure, I have shown the MAGNITUDE of energy I can cancel. What about the type? What about….psionic energy?

DarkSaint85 wrote on Dec 21st, 2015 09:06 AM:

Some handholding time - judges, forgive me.

Reed has developed a machine that detects psionic energy. It goes off, just as his weather sensors go off - IN THE SAME AREA. Coincidence?
http://postimg.org/image/zfvaa70k3/

What kinda fog could it be? STORM, premier weather manipulator, says she cannot control it, and it’s ‘unnatural’:
http://postimg.org/image/ovpy5clg3/

Note Aquarian casually dispelling it, though. But what is it? Let Vance Astro explain it:
http://postimg.org/image/3xjs79llf/

Yup. It was psionic fog. Aquarian casually nullified it.

OK, that deals with psionic and kinetic energy. But damn, it’s BLACK ADAM. The magic! The magic hurts!

Heh. Actually, it tickles.

I add Fate.

Fate
What was so special about Fate?

He was immune to magic:
http://postimg.org/image/5lky7lx5f/

So what? That’s a relative nobody (Strega, you can look her up on wiki). I’m facing BA here.
[list=1]
[*]How about Zatanna?
http://postimg.org/image/pvnbjv4lv/
Meh.

[*]Nabu?
http://postimg.org/image/81mrlgf83/
I don’t know who Nabu is.

[*]OK, OK: Nekron:
http://postimg.org/image/s4x760sgj/
http://postimg.org/image/ecisae1oz/
http://postimg.org/image/8czmkh6ab/

Who he? THIS Nekron?
http://i.imgur.com/d3namlg.jpg

Yup.
[/list]
Yup. Magic does not affect me. I am specifically immune to magic (note the size of the explosion):
http://postimg.org/image/sdzd9oumr/

What else can he do?

I also have precog, which I gain just by looking at someone:
http://postimg.org/image/qnbqugnpv/
http://postimg.org/image/8pmfcwz6b/

Past, present, future: I see it all. (Sidenote: in the previous scan, that was Holly, his ex-wife – and he changed her destiny, by saving her).

Fate has even used it in battle, against characters with superspeed (note: he’s fighting Image here, who has explicit superspeed):
http://postimg.org/image/3kzgjw7bn/

He has also used it with bullets:
http://postimg.org/image/camw9vt3n/

Strategy
Ding, the bell rings. Aren’t you guys tired of bloody speedblitzes? Fights that are over in the first millisecond?

I start briskly walking over to Smurph. Any attacks he tries, will be cancelled by my field, which has repelled energy on the level of cosmic cubes. Of the type such as kinetic, heat, psionic etc. I have one weakness - he needs to crack my shell. But the amount of energy needed, whether by punching, TK, or lightning, would be nullified.

Looking at him, I reveal all of his plans using my second sight. Illusions? Cloaking? They fail against me:
http://postimg.org/image/z9o76jehf/
http://postimg.org/image/kwlkgqfpv/
http://postimg.org/image/6ve68x1jn/

As I walk, I also expand my forcefield. Aquarian, when he had just gained his powers, could blanket a 3 dimensional area (around, up, and below) the size of a good sized skyscraper. The battlefield would be easy, considering I am using a more seasoned version (note the graceful gestures with his older self). Note, whilst Smurph becomes depowered, my build retains his own powers. Aquarian never shut his own powers off, and my amalgam can use powers just as well as the original, as per the rules.

I reach him, who has lost any speed, strength, and any other powers. Magical attacks won’t affect me. Psionic powers won’t affect me - as a probe, I have no mind to control, and besides, it’s not a weakness of the probes, and on top of that, the Aquarian nullifies psionic energy.

The null field cancels ALL powers out, and whilst I feel pretty safe in clinging to that statement (which EVERY appearance of his has mentioned, and we have no cause to doubt), I have also shown that specific types of energy are definitely cancelled. Whilst probes MAY look different, we can ALL agree that they at least have the same base powers of strength, speed and durability. If Smurph wants to argue they are different, go ahead. But it was depicted, on panel, that they ALL shared a common weakness - and only ONE. To crack the shell.

And he cannot do that here.

I kill him to death.

Smurph wrote on Jan 14th, 2016 01:30 PM:

Smurph OP

Hey folks, thanks for being here and supporting – judges, Psycho, Darksaint, spectators.

The Amalgam:

Titan

Black Adam (preboot) – Superman-like physical stats, limitless stamina, immortal

Cable (Godlike) – Telepathy, telekinesis, healing factor, teleportation, TO virus

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Operation Needle Point:
[list=1]
[*] I raise shields during prep

[*] Upon entering the battle, I immediately let off a massive psi-blast.

Cable was strong enough to give Emma Frost w/ Cerebra hell just by being in her presence, and he passively ionized Earth’s atmosphere while listening to the thoughts of the planet. If any of my opponents are not within Aquarian’s bubble, their minds are smush (and perhaps even if they are! More on that later)

[*] I go invisible

[*] I teleport next to Aquarian and infect him with the TO virus.

For reference, Cap once disabled Aquarian by using a hold that required little energy expenditure.

All that I have to do to infect him, as with the Red Hulk scans, is inject him or bleed on him.

Here a tiny amount of Cable’s blood transfers the virus for a KO. It also mentions that Cable has the most virulent strain of the TO virus. 😊

The virus will take over Aquarian’s system, disabling his bubble as it kills him.

[*] I bodyslide back out of Aquarian’s bubble, and use a combination of telepathy, telekinesis, Superman-level strength and speed, invulnerability, healing factor, etc. to obliterate any remaining opponents. [/list]

Good match. 👆

Damn. Quite the mismatch in OP styles - I go for humour, breadth, and depth, whereas...it's Smurph 😛

But yes, thanks to all readers bla bla bla. In truth, all of you should be thanking me for such an amazing gift of battle!

Let's go through each of Smurph's points, shall we? And we shall see that his Titan is more like the Titanic - sinking on her maiden voyage under her own hubris.

I raise shields during prep

Upon entering the battle, I immediately let off a massive psi-blast.

I go invisible

I teleport next to Aquarian and infect him with the TO virus.

There are so, SO many problems with this tactic, however...where shall I start? To quote Lewis Carroll, I shall begin at the beginning, and go on till I come to the end: then stop.

Firstly, Cable could only access his God Cable persona - because Deadpool's HF was suppressing it. So him bleeding on me, would just be blood with a TO virus that has been majorly suppressed. Either he has it, and can infect me with it - or he doesn't. But he cannot draft God Cable (who has Deadpool's HF suppressing the virus) and still infect me.

Secondly, I am no Rulk. To inject me with the virus, requires cracking my shell. As we have all seen, not only would that be a terrible idea for him (due to the exblammosion), but it requires a whole load of energy.

Does Cable's spikes even have that amount of energy? Moreover, the SPEED at which he shoots those spikes would be severely dampened - null field, remember?

Thirdly, well, we have seen how a probe can easily keep up with the Flash. Superman. WW. All speedsters - even Superman was using his speed. Whereas HIS own speed/strength would be negated:
http://postimg.org/image/bftqoey6r/

So if he attempts to teleport next to me - I will see him (as he's now pretty much at ground zero of my null field lol - thanks for saving me the trouble!) and I will know what he's ATTEMPTING to do.

Fourthly (we have a few of these!), my null field would also short his TO virus out (assuming we ignore Deadpool's HF). Assuming it's mechanical in nature, of course. Remember, all machinery shuts down near me.

Hey, speaking of Deadpool's HF, guess who is the only person to have ever fought off the Marvel Zombie virus? That's right. Surfer, Wolverine, Deadpool, Hulk, Juggernaut - they all succumbed (alt. realities, true, but still).

But Aquarian, without any amps, fought it off. And that was much more infectious and widespread than the TO virus.

Having looked at him, I can see his plans:
http://postimg.org/image/qnbqugnpv/

So I'm not going to make him bleed, anyway. Just in case. This is why I phrased my last sentence - I kill him to death. I can just as easily snap his neck. No bloodshed. Remember, his powers are all shut off when my field reaches him - including durability. Him teleporting next to me, only hastens his defeat.

Fifthly, I am not sure how the TO virus would disable my null field. Judges, please ask for proof of this. I have shown it working even when Wundarr was unconscious.

I bodyslide back out of Aquarian’s bubble, and use a combination of telepathy, telekinesis, Superman-level strength and speed, invulnerability, healing factor, etc. to obliterate any remaining opponents.

So, in summary:
[list=1]
[*]I can see him, and none of his psi blasts would even touch me.
[*]The cornerstone of his plan involves bleeding on me. With blood that suppresses the TO virus, using a delivery system that cannot pierce my shell, and has no proof of being able to suppress my null field.
[*]Conversely, he has no defence against me shutting his powers down (whilst I keep my own). He actually rushes TOWARDS me, which makes it easier to defeat him.
[/list]

I continue with my plan. I snap his neck.

Smurph First Post!

All right friends, thanks for your patience – let’s get started!

Damn. Quite the mismatch in OP styles - I go for humour, breadth, and depth, whereas...it's Smurph

I’ll settle for brevity.

And we shall see that his Titan is more like the Titanic - sinking on her maiden voyage under her own hubris.

My Prep vs. Darksaint’s Prep

First, to be totally upfront (and because it’s obvious): I wrote my prep assuming that Darksaint would enter this match with at least two characters—I assumed that Aquarian would be on his own, unamalgamated—because the only way Aquarian, as a draft, makes sense is to make effective use of Aquarian’s ability to grow/shrink his null-field; to disable my amalgam while his amalgam ([ u]outside the null-field[/u] )prepares a “killing blow” (ie, Fate’s magic, or a punch from the probe, whatever).

Colour me surprised to see that Darksaint didn’t follow that line of strategy. Instead he chose to amalgamate his characters and… bullshit? mmm

Look, I’m not upset, angry, or bothered. I just don’t see any other way to interpret this:

So what?? Surely he would shut his own powers off too?

Nope:
http://postimg.org/image/hbnobtdhv/

Let’s break this down, folks:

Darksaint has amalgamated three characters with powers spanning flight, magic, energy attacks, herald-level strength, durability, etc…
He also has an abundance of presented evidence that none of these things work in Aquarian’s field. Now, he is attempting to override all of his evidence for himself only because Thing thought Aquarian was stronger than him

The word of the day, friends, is NO-LIMITS FALLACY. The second word is “deception”, probably.

Aquarian, Before vs. After the Null-Field

It’s a straightforward task for Darksaint to prove that Aquarian is unaffected by his null-field.

Aquarian had powers prior to gaining the null-field – these included energy projection, super leaping, and super strength.

According to Marvel.com, he cannot use these powers inside the null field:

Because this kinetic energy-canceling property affects him as well as other objects in his field, the Aquarian cannot move faster than his null-field will allow. Therefore, his ability to leap is useless. However, since he can negate gravity's influence on him, he can walk on air

http://marvel.com/universe/Aquarian

Now, we don’t need to take Marvel.com at its word. All that Darksaint needs to do is to show Aquarian using his super leaping abilities inside his null-field. Or moving faster than other people, or firing energy blasts, etc.

As for Thing’s observation, the second part of the quote helps us understand how Aquarian appeared to be stronger:

[code] However, since he can negate gravity's influence on him, he can walk on air[/code]

At the centre of the null field, nothing has weight. 😊 That’s why Aquarian can still lift heavy shit.

As for Darksaint’s argument, judges, consider exactly how much weight he wants you to put on Thing’s passing observation. It is exactly a no-limits fallacy to take the scan of Thing and Aquarian, and try to prove that the null-field will allow super speed, energy blasts, etc. All that I’m asking for is a little bit of proof to back this up.

Telepathy vs. Aquarian

Darksaint has a couple of convoluted scans that apparently show Aquarian cancelling psionic fog. He has used this as evidence that Aquarian cancels all psionic powers.... 😐

I repeat,

NO-LIMITS FALLACY

Basically, psionic fog is closer to telekinesis/energy projection than telepathy. We have seen that Aquarian can be disabled via attacks that expend minimal kinetic energy. I am arguing that telepathy uses exactly zero kinetic energy, so I would like further proof that Aquarian has any defense against tp.

Certainly, even if a psi-blast would not affect Aquarian, Darksaint has done nothing to prove that Cable's telepathic invisibility would not work.

TO Virus vs. the Probe vs. The Null-field

Firstly, Cable could only access his God Cable persona - because Deadpool's HF was suppressing it. So him bleeding on me, would just be blood with a TO virus that has been majorly suppressed. Either he has it, and can infect me with it - or he doesn't. But he cannot draft God Cable (who has Deadpool's HF suppressing the virus) and still infect me.

Of course I can:

God Cable discusses how the virus has returned and is under his complete control 👆

Hey, speaking of Deadpool's HF, guess who is the only person to have ever fought off the Marvel Zombie virus? (alt. realities, true, but still).

😂 DS bolds this really clever point, and then quietly says "I know it's non-canon, but let's just pretend..."

Alternate realities, alternate characters, none of it applies.

Basically, judges, either the TO Virus disables Darksaint, or his own null-field does:

Let's let Lex Luthor's pal Veridium explain:

[code]The Imperiex constructs (Probes) are composed of machine colonies that mate and give birth to smaller, better machinery as they evolve. [/code]

So, the probes are made up of machine colonies. Darksaint has amalgamated Fate and Aquarian, who are organic beings, with machine colonies, making a techno-organic amalgam.

It just so happens that I have this really nifty virus designed to obliterate techno-organic creatures. It was, after all, designed to destroy Apocalypse.

Darksaint knows this, and he's afraid, so he protests:

my null field would also short his TO virus out (assuming we ignore Deadpool's HF). Assuming it's mechanical in nature, of course. Remember, all machinery shuts down near me.

So, as I was saying: either the TO virus destroys the Probe, or the null-field does. If all machinery shuts down near Darksaint, that includes the machine colonies that comprise the Probe.

To inject me with the virus, requires cracking my shell. As we have all seen, not only would that be a terrible idea for him (due to the exblammosion), but it requires a whole load of energy.

Sorry, what? You're going to iterate two posts of scans showing that Aquarian's field shorts out all energy attacks, and then try to detonate an explosion in the centre of his field? 😐

Anyways, saying that I have to crack the shell is false. The virus interacts with everything organic and machine, including the hull of the Probe. Just because the Justice League resorted to punches over bio warfare doesn't restrict me to the same options. srug

As shown in my OP, all I have to do is bleed.

In Conclusion...

[list=1][*]We have no proof that the Darksaint's extensive list of powers will work in the null field
[*]We have no proof that telepathy will be canceled by the null field
[*]Either the Probe falls to the TO Virus, or the Probe simply fails to exist inside the null field.[/list]

Until those three items are resolved, the match is simple to boil down. My plan is straightforward, and based on a few scans from two longstanding characters. I am not asking for any leaps of faith.

On the other hand, Darksaint has drafted three obscure characters with limited appearances, and it trying to rearrange the properties of their powers. He wants the null field to work, but he wants immunity to it. He wants it to cancel machinery, but not his machines. He wants it to cancel explosions, but not his explosions. He wants it to cancel all telepathy and viruses, but cannot support those ideas with scans.

Good match, Darksaint.

Alack, alack, Smurph has returned with a vengeance!

And he has outdone me!

Wait, no, he hasn't.

Colour me surprised to see that Darksaint didn’t follow that line of strategy. Instead he chose to amalgamate his characters and… bullshit?

The second word is “deception”, probably.

According to Marvel.com, he cannot use these powers inside the null field:

All that Darksaint needs to do is to show Aquarian using his super leaping abilities inside his null-field. Or moving faster than other people, or firing energy blasts, etc.

Oh, is that ALL I have to do?

http://postimg.org/image/mpnh3524z/

As Zombie Deadpool remarks (and no, Aquarian here is NOT an alt. reality version - he is the bonafide 616 guy), he's blasting - WHILST the force field is in effect.

So yes, his energy blasts are still in effect. So Marvel.com is sadly out of date (I really should log in and edit my own sections, but I've been so busy lately..).

I hope that was enough, Smurph? Hopefully you don't shift the goalposts ;-)

All that I’m asking for is a little bit of proof to back this up.

Certainly, even if a psi-blast would not affect Aquarian, Darksaint has done nothing to prove that Cable's telepathic invisibility would not work.

Here, Fate's second sight enables him to see past illusions and trickery:
http://postimg.org/image/6ve68x1jn/

And again:
http://postimg.org/image/yb38qibrn/

So no, attempting to use telepathy to fool asomething of the order of Nabu's helm, merged with a machine colony, by using some medical orderlies as proof - THAT is a no-limits fallacy.

DS bolds this really clever point, and then quietly says "I know it's non-canon, but let's just pretend..."

Darksaint has amalgamated Fate and Aquarian, who are organic beings, with machine colonies, making a techno-organic amalgam.

If all machinery shuts down near Darksaint, that includes the machine colonies that comprise the Probe.

Sorry, what? You're going to iterate two posts of scans showing that Aquarian's field shorts out all energy attacks, and then try to detonate an explosion in the centre of his field?

[list=1]
We have no proof that the Darksaint's extensive list of powers will work in the null field
We have no proof that telepathy will be canceled by the null field
Either the Probe falls to the TO Virus, or the Probe simply fails to exist inside the null field.[/list]

Well, you just asked for SOME proof that he could still use his other powers. I have provided this. So point 1 is defeated.
You mean the null field, added to a machine, added to Jared? Sure. That's point 2 defeated. Surely, you're not using a no-limits fallacy??
Point 3 is a rehash of point 2. MY own powers work fine and dandy, as per forum rules. Unless you shift the goalposts, of course.

He wants the null field to work, but he wants immunity to it. He wants it to cancel machinery, but not his machines. He wants it to cancel explosions, but not his explosions. He wants it to cancel all telepathy and viruses, but cannot support those ideas with scans.

So, I guess this match IS straightforward. I have defeated your sole 3 points.

My plan continues, with a neck snapping of....TITANIC proportions!

Originally posted by Smurph
Over the past month, I've repeatedly made time to post, and then, at the last minute, decided I needed the time for other work/school commitments. I basically can't justify KMC time at this point - I regret that things didn't move faster in the fall, when I had more time, but also I should have just realized this sooner.

Anyways, I think I have to forfeit - I'm in the middle of term papers, and I know that exams are gonna be on top of me by the time I'm done.

Sorry for the lame performance Darksaint - this wasn't a match that I could phone in, which is why I never found time to make a good show of it. I think you earned the victory either way.

Hope this tourney finishes. Thanks PG, judges, etc.

Thanks, Smurph, for the round. I await the winner of Carver9/Blair Wind with bated breath.

Until next time!!!!