Originally posted by StealthRangerWe see how skilled he is when he is up against them. I for one think Kanan is better with a saber than Link.
Can you provide any notable reaction feats, or why this is significant (pretty sure Ezra and Kanan are low tier schmucks anyways), or is this just your "OMG LOLOLOLOL XDXDXDXDXD" style of "debating" at workYou really wanna do the whole nitpicking low end showings when it comes to Star Wars of all things, really?
I believe Scream or someone calc'd Link's Goron Toss at 200 tons or something
Multi-ton TK? So, roughly on par with Link's strength without any gear? Okay
Facts are facts.
So you can't prove it. Concession accepted.
Originally posted by quanchi112
We see how skilled he is when he is up against them.
Can you quantify any of it, or just "zomg dey luked rly kool!!!111!!!"
I for one think Kanan is better with a saber than Link.
Argument from belief
Facts are facts.
Low end showings are not evidence according to any debater with a shred of integrity
Star Wars has a lot of low end showings, or do they not count when they don't suit you?
So you can't prove it. Concession accepted.
He tossed a Goron which was 200 tons, which is beyond Vader's TK feats.
"multi ton" nothing
Originally posted by StealthRanger
Can you quantify any of it, or just "zomg dey luked rly kool!!!111!!!"Argument from belief
Low end showings are not evidence according to any debater with a shred of integrity
Star Wars has a lot of low end showings, or do they not count when they don't suit you?
He tossed a Goron which was 200 tons, which is beyond Vader's TK feats.
"multi ton" nothing
Only one point to counter. If its a low end showing, and its canon, then it most certainly gets to be allowed as evidence, unless the character was underpowered in some way.
Originally posted by StealthRangerWe see the manner in which he reacts or counters is beyond Link at any point in TP. Pretty simple, kiddo.
Can you quantify any of it, or just "zomg dey luked rly kool!!!111!!!"Argument from belief
Low end showings are not evidence according to any debater with a shred of integrity
Star Wars has a lot of low end showings, or do they not count when they don't suit you?
He tossed a Goron which was 200 tons, which is beyond Vader's TK feats.
"multi ton" nothing
Based on what he's done with his saber and who he's been up against its supported by common sense.
All facts are evidence. Anyone saying that doesn't count or this doesn't count is being biased and ignoring what they don't like. You're a fanboy.
He had the boots on. Prove they weigh over 200 tons. The objects Vader has tk'd is far greater than this anyways. That's what's so hilarious about this, fanboy.
Originally posted by quanchi112
We see the manner in which he reacts or counters is beyond Link at any point in TP. Pretty simple, kiddo.
Can you quantify it, or is it just better because "Dey luked rly kool"
Get the **** out with your unquantified horsehit "arguments"
Based on what he's done with his saber
Being.....
and who he's been up against its supported by common sense.
Argument from belief
All facts are evidence. Anyone saying that doesn't count or this doesn't count is being biased and ignoring what they don't like. You're a fanboy.
Coming from the guy who only ever cites low end showings for his side
He had the boots on.
Red herring
Prove they weigh over 200 tons.
Calc'd at 200 tons. Calcs>you
The objects Vader has tk'd is far greater than this anyways. That's what's so hilarious about this, fanboy.
Quantify it or GTFO
Since when has brute strength countered TK?
It's an ability to apply force with your mind, simple
And force can be overwhelmed with greater force, if it wasn't the case telekinetics could lift any object regardless of it's size and mass and accelerate them to any speed they like instantly with no effort, but they don't so that's that idea out the window
Originally posted by StealthRangerCalcs are less then Garbage, honestly.
Can you quantify it, or is it just better because "Dey luked rly kool"Get the **** out with your unquantified horsehit "arguments"
Being.....
Argument from belief
Coming from the guy who only ever cites low end showings for his side
Red herring
Calc'd at 200 tons. Calcs>you
Quantify it or GTFO
It's an ability to apply force with your mind, simple
And force can be overwhelmed with greater force, if it wasn't the case telekinetics could lift any object regardless of it's size and mass and accelerate them to any speed they like instantly with no effort, but they don't so that's that idea out the window
You said Wind in FF7 moved at Mach 100, but it isn't possible for wind to move that fast.
Not getting involved in your personal little debate with Quan, but you're making rookie mistakes when it comes to debating that are easy to pick at.
Calcs are debunked all the time, we base stuff on what we see, and not what we hear from other people
Originally posted by StealthRangerWatch the fight. What do you mean quantify it ? If I see Vader use superb skill against these two guys and a child beat two other kids in a laughable fight I can determine Vader is more skilled based off the eye test.
Can you quantify it, or is it just better because "Dey luked rly kool"Get the **** out with your unquantified horsehit "arguments"
Being.....
Argument from belief
Coming from the guy who only ever cites low end showings for his side
Red herring
Calc'd at 200 tons. Calcs>you
Quantify it or GTFO
It's an ability to apply force with your mind, simple
And force can be overwhelmed with greater force, if it wasn't the case telekinetics could lift any object regardless of it's size and mass and accelerate them to any speed they like instantly with no effort, but they don't so that's that idea out the window
Against Luke, Ezra, Kanan, etc.
Logic isn't common since you apparently don't have it, kid.
Using the word low shows bias. There are only facts, kid.
No, since the game makes it clear without the boots he doesn't have the weight to resist the gorons. 😂
Prove it. Quit citing other people's random guess. Rookie mistake.
You didn't quantify anything you said what someone else said as proof. 😂
Vader wins, easily.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Watch the fight. What do you mean quantify it ? If I see Vader use superb skill against these two guys and a child beat two other kids in a laughable fight I can determine Vader is more skilled based off the eye test.
And this is why nobody likes you, all you do is just go "hurr hey gaise dis r good show me somethink bettar". When someone actually does you just go "nar sorry dat's not good enough". Quantify this shit legitimately or get the hell out
Against Luke, Ezra, Kanan, etc.
Can you tell me why this is impressive at all?
Logic isn't common since you apparently don't have it, kid.
You are in no position to act condescending
Using the word low shows bias. There are only facts, kid.
Yeah and Superman being knocked out by a fence post is a legit showing. You're a joke 👆
No, since the game makes it clear without the boots he doesn't have the weight to resist the gorons. 😂
Weight, not strength. Physics 101
Prove it. Quit citing other people's random guess. Rookie mistake.
>calcs that put him at that level
>just random guesses
>essentially pulls the "I don't like it so it's wrong argument"
An eloquent counterargument
You didn't quantify anything you said what someone else said as proof. 😂
Genetic fallacy, and providing actual numbers and why beating *insert x character here* is impressive>"Lawl I tink I saw'd him fite low tier schmucks liek Ezra and Kanan and it loked rly kool!!!!111!!!"
Vader wins, easily.
With his 2 km/y speed and low level telekinesis rite?
Originally posted by StealthRangerWe see the skill Vader shows in his fights which is superior to the skill Link shows in his fights. He didn't have years of experience either which is a fact. Vader did. 😂
And this is why nobody likes you, all you do is just go "hurr hey gaise dis r good show me somethink bettar". When someone actually does you just go "nar sorry dat's not good enough". Quantify this shit legitimately or get the hell outCan you tell me why this is impressive at all?
You are in no position to act condescending
Yeah and Superman being knocked out by a fence post is a legit showing. You're a joke 👆
Weight, not strength. Physics 101
>calcs that put him at that level
>just random guesses
>essentially pulls the "I don't like it so it's wrong argument"An eloquent counterargument
Genetic fallacy, and providing actual numbers and why beating *insert x character here* is impressive>"Lawl I tink I saw'd him fite low tier schmucks liek Ezra and Kanan and it loked rly kool!!!!111!!!"
With his 2 km/y speed and low level telekinesis rite?
Watch the fight and see for yourself, noob.
You are a joke.
Facts are facts. You don't get to pretend facts don't exist simply because you're a fanboy.
Without the weight Link can't do anything to a goron. 😂
Cite the specs.
Vader has greater feats, more experience, etc.
Originally posted by quanchi112
We see the skill Vader shows in his fights which is superior to the skill Link shows in his fights.
Do you have any reason to believe that, considering "skill" isn't overtly definitive a term
He didn't have years of experience either which is a fact. Vader did. 😂
Only feats matter, who gives a shit about "years of experience", there are so many characters in fiction without "years of experience" who could utterly wreck Vader
Watch the fight and see for yourself, noob.
>asserts that Vader has far better reaction speed
>demands me to do my homework for him
vs debating 101
You are a joke.
Is 'no u' really the best you can come up with /depressed
Without the weight Link can't do anything to a goron. 😂
Boots simply anchor him to the ground, and doesn't change the fact that he lifted and tossed it, which outclasses any strength or raw power feat from any Disney SW character
Cite the specs.
Throwing a 200 ton Goron
Vader has greater feats, more experience, etc.
Some TK that can lift a few tons at best and some low superhuman speed. Experience don't mean shit, only feats matter
Originally posted by StealthRanger
And this is why nobody likes you, all you do is just go "hurr hey gaise dis r good show me somethink bettar". When someone actually does you just go "nar sorry dat's not good enough". Quantify this shit legitimately or get the hell outCan you tell me why this is impressive at all?
You are in no position to act condescending
Yeah and Superman being knocked out by a fence post is a legit showing. You're a joke 👆
Weight, not strength. Physics 101
>calcs that put him at that level
>just random guesses
>essentially pulls the "I don't like it so it's wrong argument"An eloquent counterargument
Genetic fallacy, and providing actual numbers and why beating *insert x character here* is impressive>"Lawl I tink I saw'd him fite low tier schmucks liek Ezra and Kanan and it loked rly kool!!!!111!!!"
With his 2 km/y speed and low level telekinesis rite?
Dude, its not that calc's are always off.
Its just that, usually the ones you bring to the table ARE off.
200 Tons is a LOTTTTTT.
By comparison, a minivan weighs about 1 Ton.
What Goron is there that is 200 Tons???
Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Vader has deflected multiple blaster shots with his lightsaber and even caught a few with his hands. He also almost singlehandidly slaughtered every jedi in the jedi temple, so he's obviously fast enough to handle multiple jedi at once. I'd ay he's reaction time is pretty good.But what gives him the win his range. He'll never cross blades with link because he can easily kill him from a distance.
I think this is what quan is getting at. He has taken out multiple skilled opponents at once si vader's skill is at least on par with link.
So much negativity...
Originally posted by StealthRangerSkill always matters.
Do you have any reason to believe that, considering "skill" isn't overtly definitive a termOnly feats matter, who gives a shit about "years of experience", there are so many characters in fiction without "years of experience" who could utterly wreck Vader
>asserts that Vader has far better reaction speed
>demands me to do my homework for himvs debating 101
Is 'no u' really the best you can come up with /depressed
Boots simply anchor him to the ground, and doesn't change the fact that he lifted and tossed it, which outclasses any strength or raw power feat from any Disney SW character
Throwing a 200 ton Goron
Some TK that can lift a few tons at best and some low superhuman speed. Experience don't mean shit, only feats matter
I just gave you feats. Experience does matter. All facts matter.
Deflecting blaster fire. Boom.
He needs the added weight and can never do so without the boots. Without the boots he isn't strong enough with his own body weight to resist.
You have not proven he weighs 200 tons. It is laughable.
All variables matter, fanboy. He needs those boots.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Skill always matters.
Not when you're outclassed by a huge margain physically
I just gave you feats.
You just told me he beat someone, can you say why this is impressive (as in, feats or GTFO)
Experience does matter. All facts matter.
Only feats matter. Yusuke Urameshi doesn't have "years of experience", and he'd casually trash the Disney SW cast single handedly
Senator Armstrong doesn't have "years of experience" in physical combat, yet he'd speedblitz and one punch Vader to scrap metal
Deflecting blaster fire. Boom.
Precognition
He needs the added weight and can never do so without the boots. Without the boots he isn't strong enough with his own body weight to resist.
Body weight is the sole reason he needs the boots, it makes no difference to physical strength. Since by real life, things like say, Raiden stopping Outer Heaven would be impractical due to the mass disparity
You have not proven he weighs 200 tons. It is laughable.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
[B]I'll math it myself, you were using some bad numbers somewhere, sir.6 ft = 80 pixels
The goron = 228. THEREFORE; 228/80 = 2.85
2.85x6 = 17.1 Ft in diameter.V= pi*r^3*0.75=4007.9816296875 cubic feet.
so, let's get conservative here.
4000x100 lbs = 400 000 lbs = 200 tons.
Just so we're clear, seeing as he stopped it, then threw it, yes, Link is infact stronger.
Given that the Gorons are probably about as heavy as granite, multiply that by 1.6 to get a more accurate weight. =] I forget where I read they were granite thoguh, so I won't use those numbers until I find the quote.
Now then, your move, son
All variables matter, fanboy. He needs those boots. [/B]
Are you trying to say he doesn't have them here?
Originally posted by StealthRangerYou have not proven Link is that much stronger than him at all. Back your claims.
Not when you're outclassed by a huge margain physicallyYou just told me he beat someone, can you say why this is impressive (as in, feats or GTFO)
Only feats matter. Yusuke Urameshi doesn't have "years of experience", and he'd casually trash the Disney SW cast single handedly
Senator Armstrong doesn't have "years of experience" in physical combat, yet he'd speedblitz and one punch Vader to scrap metal
Precognition
Body weight is the sole reason he needs the boots, it makes no difference to physical strength. Since by real life, things like say, Raiden stopping Outer Heaven would be impractical due to the mass disparity
Now then, your move, son
Are you trying to say he doesn't have them here?
That is a feat. Watch the fight, noob.
He has feats and experience, noob. Everything matters.
Which he has here so thanks for agreeing with me.
Without the body weight he can't do so it is a moot point.
That isn't proof that's just making up numbers.
If he puts the boots on he is a lot slower and less maneuverable. Vader carves him up.