Why Most Martial Arts Don't Work

Started by AsbestosFlaygon3 pages

I think a MA should learn at least 2 disciplines, and not focus on just one, if he/she wants to have a better chance of defending him/herself depending on a given situation.

You'll notice that the best UFC/pro fighters are skilled in both striking and grapples. For example, a combination of Muay Thai and Brazilian Jiu-jitsu, or Boxing and Wrestling.

Agreed.
I learned boxing as a kid, wrestling in my teens. When the Army started pushing combatives (basically MMA for dummies), i was in my 30s, but knowing both boxing & wrestling made it way easier for me to pick up the new skill set.

Next we will try to teach Riv checkers......AGAIN!

Originally posted by Utrigita
Except this one...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1ePXA5lbqk

and this one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdjvG_qvBK4

and so on. (atleast in UFC)

In his other fights he uses palmstrikes (as I recall), the reason being that going around throwing punches to the face with no protection on your hands is a fine way to break them.

Oh, I know that, bone against bone is risky.

Plus, UFC's policy prevented the use of barehanded fighting.

Not only is barehanded fighting more dangerous to the person throwing the punches, but also to the person receiving the beating.

Then what were you getting at with...

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Sometimes.

Bas Rutten fought bare-handed in every one of his fights.

Originally posted by riv6672
Then what were you getting at with...
He barely had any fights in the UFC.

Almost every single one of his fightz were in Pancrase, which he fought barehanded, he even talks about it with Joe Rogan.

Btw, off-topic, but whenever anyone talks about Pancrase, it makes me wanna eat greasy food, like Burgers and Pizza.

Nice guys, thanks for a lot of responses. The last oen kills it, though 👆

BTW this thread is partially created because I want to take up a MA. I've narrowed it down to Judo, Sambo and Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. Did some research and all have good schools in my town.

Anyone had experience with these three and can recommend one of them?

As noted, boxing and wrestling and some of their offshoots are probably best in translating to real-world defense/offense and classes are readily had for most

Krav Maga is great in neutralizing an opponent, harder to find a class and a proficient instructor

Them there's the unorthodox anti-assault/rape courses, which basically teach people (mainly focused for women) to strike at an assailment's weak point (eyes, throat, groin etc) and then flee

Lots of martial arts are effective, but many aren't, for example tae-kwon-do has a lot of awesome kicks, that will work against untrained individuals, but against someone with good hands, you'll get your ass kicked.

Things like Aikido, and Hapkido are total scams, stay away from those. Even flavor of the month shit like Krav Maga can be taught at a McDojo and be a total scam so I'd watch out for those too.

Originally posted by Stigma
I've narrowed it down to Judo, Sambo and Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. Did some research and all have good schools in my town.

Anyone had experience with these three and can recommend one of them?

These are all awesome. Those are all primarily grappling focused, with combat sambo having a bit of striking mixed in. If you want to be really well rounded I would go with a no nonsense striking style like kick boxing, or muy thai, and BJJ, or combat sambo.

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
These are all awesome. Those are all primarily grappling focused, with combat sambo having a bit of striking mixed in. If you want to be really well rounded I would go with a no nonsense striking style like kick boxing, or muy thai, and BJJ, or combat sambo.

Thanks 👆

I kinda feel more like a grappler, and I'd like to start up as one but I agree you need to mix it.

There is a good school of boxing near where I live. Once I become proficient in as a grappler I'd think about going there too.

Originally posted by Stigma
Thanks 👆

I kidna feel more like a grappler, and I'd like to start up as one but I agree you need to mix it.

There is a good school of boxing near where I live. Once I become proficient in as a grappler I'd think about going there too.

That's how I started too, I began with wrestling, I never felt like much of a striker since my reflexes are kind of slow, and I have no rhythm to speak of. But once you learn timing and get the footwork muscle memory down, it comes.

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
That's how I started too, I began with wrestling, I never felt like much of a striker since my reflexes are kind of slow, and I have no rhythm to speak of. But once you learn timing and get the footwork muscle memory down, it comes.

Awesome.

I have high hopes for it. I love the whole concept of balance and footwork. Besides the competition in Judo or BJJ tournaments is also something I do not shy away from.

Originally posted by Stigma
Thanks 👆

I kinda feel more like a grappler, and I'd like to start up as one but I agree you need to mix it.

There is a good school of boxing near where I live. Once I become proficient in as a grappler I'd think about going there too.

I'd recommend training as a boxer or a wrestler.

Less for the styles, and more for the physical conditioning the training for both tends to give you.

When I wrestled in my sophomore year I was in by far the best shape of my life (though since I was probably at my strongest either senior year or when I unloaded trucks).

Originally posted by Robtard
As noted, boxing and wrestling and some of their offshoots are probably best in translating to real-world defense/offense and classes are readily had for most

Krav Maga is great in neutralizing an opponent, harder to find a class and a proficient instructor

Them there's the unorthodox anti-assault/rape courses, which basically teach people (mainly focused for women) to strike at an assailment's weak point (eyes, throat, groin etc) and then flee


Totally agree with this.

Originally posted by Stigma
Nice guys, thanks for a lot of responses. The last oen kills it, though 👆

BTW this thread is partially created because I want to take up a MA. I've narrowed it down to Judo, Sambo and Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. Did some research and all have good schools in my town.

Anyone had experience with these three and can recommend one of them?


I suggest you start with Sambo. It's more well-rounded than BJJ since it incorporates some striking attacks as well after takedowns. The con is its mostly focused on countering, so you need to have fast reflexes. BJJ is mostly focused on submission maneuvers. Both are wrestling-oriented, so you're gonna need to bulk up a bit.

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
Lots of martial arts are effective, but many aren't, for example tae-kwon-do has a lot of awesome kicks, that will work against untrained individuals, but against someone with good hands, you'll get your ass kicked.

Things like Aikido, and Hapkido are total scams, stay away from those. Even flavor of the month shit like Krav Maga can be taught at a McDojo and be a total scam so I'd watch out for those too.

These are all awesome. Those are all primarily grappling focused, with combat sambo having a bit of striking mixed in. If you want to be really well rounded I would go with a no nonsense striking style like kick boxing, or muy thai, and BJJ, or combat sambo.

Aikido is most certainly not a scam, just because Steven Seagal is a bullshitter, doesn't mean the whole MA is.

How do I know this? My friend's older brother demonstrated what he learned from Aikido, and he had me in a hold I was unable to break out of, and he nearly broke my wrist without meaning to (Or he meant to).

Needless to say, despite my experience in Karate, he'd beat my ass.

No Martial Arts is better then the other, some of them are made for different situations.

Originally posted by Stigma
Nice guys, thanks for a lot of responses. The last oen kills it, though 👆

BTW this thread is partially created because I want to take up a MA. I've narrowed it down to Judo, Sambo and Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. Did some research and all have good schools in my town.

Anyone had experience with these three and can recommend one of them?

My personal trainer is an MMA fighter. He is experienced in a number of styles, but for MMA, he primarily does Boxing and Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. It is good to have a grappling style, because most MMA fights are settled on the mat. I do Boxing and Tae Kwan Do.

^^^Grappling's very important, yeah, as most actual fights end up on the ground/floor, too.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Aikido is most certainly not a scam, just because Steven Seagal is a bullshitter, doesn't mean the whole MA is.

How do I know this? My friend's older brother demonstrated what he learned from Aikido, and he had me in a hold I was unable to break out of, and he nearly broke my wrist without meaning to (Or he meant to).

Needless to say, despite my experience in Karate, he'd beat my ass.

No Martial Arts is better then the other, some of them are made for different situations.


I agree with you about aikido. In fact, it is one of the most brutal MAs you can learn.

Don't be fooled by what you see in the movies, of opponents flipping around after a wrist twist. In reality, that move will break your wrist. And you don't necessarily need to counter a punch to execute it. Just grab your opponent's wrist and, focus your chi on your hand, and twist it like mofo. It will literally break your opponent's hand/arm, unless he knows how to counter it with the flip you see in the movies.

What most MAs don't know is that aikido also has striking attacks. Mostly palm strikes. It's more difficult to learn than most MAs because you need to master the art of focusing your chi.