Azog vs. Bolg

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
So you admit Thorin killed nothing but Fodder but Legolas and Tauriel did it better and more impressively... I agree.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thorin killed Azog. He was not fodder try to watch the films. You're an idiot.

Read your post moron... You said Thorin killed nothing but fodder LMAO. It's so easy tooling you in thread after thread... only here you tooled yourself. Bolg EASILY based on feats.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
So you admit Thorin killed nothing but Fodder but Legolas and Tauriel did it better and more impressively... I agree.

These are but a few scenes that back this up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8xc821Rh88

Clearly displaying vastly more skill than Thorin in each one of these scenes. Bases on skill and feats Tauriel and Legolas poop all over Thorin

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Read your post moron... You said Thorin killed nothing but fodder LMAO. It's so easy tooling you in thread after thread... only here you tooled yourself. Bolg EASILY based on feats.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Bolg EASILY based on feats.

Based on feats, he's likely to use the exact same move twice against the same opponent, which any fighter can exploit...

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Based on feats, he's likely to use the exact same move twice against the same opponent, which any fighter can exploit...

Originally posted by quanchi112
Killi and Tauriel killed nothing but fodder. Thorin is better in combat up close and personal than Legolas.

Stalemating Legolas > Than getting killed by Thorin but fatally wounding him.

Beating Tauriel and Kili at the same time > Than getting killed by THorin but fatally wounding him.

Trying to make it out that Thorin won out against Azog is being dishonest. Thorin was on his back and knew he was about to die, but he turned his impending death into a trade of deaths.

I disagree with the above notion for the following reason

In direct combat Thorin has proved to be his superior

1. In their first one v one battle Thorin defeated Azog and chopped off his arm. Azog left the battlefield defeated and the Dwarves rallied around this fact. To be clear, in the books Thorin killed Azog with that blow.

2. The second battle wasn't one v one, instead Azog overgrown Dog did all the work. It was a 2 v. 1 fight. Azog gets no credit for that. Just as I wouldn't say "Yeah the dog owner kicked Joe's ass and beat him" when in fact as the Dog owner did is say "Get em". That is the dog owner winning

3. Then we have their third fight and the one you're claiming I'm misrepresenting. Again, Thorin defeated Azog in direct combat. He landed the only blows on Azog, cutting him, Azog wasn't to land anything on Thorin's person. Than Thorin tactfully outsmarted Azog and HE THOUGHT defeated him. Thus he was ill-prepared for Azog to stab him in the foot and them come bursting through the ice. He wasn't even looking at him when Azog struck. See where I'm going here?

If I see two guys fight... and one guy KO's the other and leaves him on the floor a bloody mess. Then a little time goes by, the guy gets up, finds the guy that KO's him and sucker punches him... but still ends up getting reversed and dying first. Would you go, oh yeah that guy won (who was KO'd)? Of course not. Why would you. In direct combat he was KO'd. The only reason he had any advantage was because of a cheapshot, same thing here.

Azog at no point beat Thorin in direct one v one combat. Not once. In every instance of direct combat, Thorin got the better of him. NO way around that.

Don't believe you were claiming Thorin beat Azog in their last battle?

Thorin performed better in that fight, but in the end he was on his back in the inferior position and had to choose death or death + killing Azog. Can't call that a Thorin win, is what I'm saying.

Thorin is a superior fighter, Azog is more of a brute relying on his power more-so than skill.

Originally posted by Robtard
Don't believe you were claiming Thorin beat Azog in their last battle? It ended basically in a stalemate, as both died.

Thorin performed better in that fight, but in the end he was on his back in the inferior position and had to choose death or death + killing Azog. Can't call that a Thorin win, is what I'm saying.

Thorin is a superior fighter, Azog is more of a brute relying on his power more-so than skill.

I agree with your last sentence entirely, so really that is where the discussion is going ultimately. However, I'll answer your question.

I suppose one could say it was a stalemate being that both fighters died at the end, but that really isn't the whole picture is it?

In boxing if a fighter KO's a guy and then minutes later collapses from his injuries... He doesn't lose. The other guy already lost. Same with MMA fights. It has happened in both, and the first guy KO'd losses, not both. Point is, generally the guy who dies first is the one who lost, the guy dying later from injuries is likely still the winner. He just didn't win by also surviving.

To add to that, the only reason Azog was even in that position was because of a cheapshot. If he accomplished that position on his own in direct one v one combat... I'd be more okay with a stalemate call. However, because it was only a cheapshot that gained him the advantage I just don't see it that way.

I get what you mean by stalemate, and it was of sorts, but for the reasons above, I think Thorin won that fight but ended up dying from his injuries.

Holding a "cheap shot" against someone like Azog is I don't know, the Orc is a scumbag, it's just what he does.

But fair enough, we agree that Thorin controlled the vast majority of the fight and his fighting skills shit all other Azog's.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Thorin isn't better at anything when it comes to one v one combat than Legolas. Based on feats, Legolas shit stomps Thorin. They aren't even comparable.

Stalemating Legolas > Than getting killed by Thorin but fatally wounding him.

Beating Tauriel and Kili at the same time > Than getting killed by THorin but fatally wounding him.

Legolas killed him easily and sustained no damage. Inferior dwarf and he didn't kill Tauriel and she walked away as well.

😂

You lie about Azog all the time. He was the greatest orc we had ever seen. That isn't debatable.

So Kt says it's a cheapshot when Thorin can see him the entire time. Kt, in love and war all is fair. The battle began so Azog was cunning and wasn't defeated., quit ignoring reality, horse head.

Wow. The amount of Bolg ignorance here is stunning. Guys, Bolg MURDERs Azog in feats. It’s not even close. Thorin? You guys are actually arguing that he’s a more capable fighter than Legolas? Whatever you’re smoking, stop sharing it around here. Thorin was a walking plot device. Dude was TERRIFIED of Azog in their initial encounter. And got shit stomped and would have died if *gasp* he wasn’t saved. Legolas was basically LOTR Achilles. Superior in every way. Bolg I undoubtedly was on par with him, though their styles differentiated. You’re over here acting like Legolas could have needed him at will or won decisively and “walked away”. Lmao…he killed Bolg by defying physics on a collapsing staircase while running fro him. Christ. I get it, Azog has a cooler look. And he’s their leader (which is more than likely a birthright as he’s clearly older). But Bolg is akin to a Orc Berzerker. We’ve seen Azog demonstrate fear, more than once. Bolg straight up handled Legolas, and dominated Tauriel, both of whom looked like griffin Superman compared to Oakenshield. In straight combat, Bolg is undoubtedly superior.
Feats >>>>> Bias.