Originally posted by Sin I AM
Great breakdown. I love your posts. Honestly the only eternal i cared about was sersi and that had more to Do with her relationship to dane than anything else. But i see where you're going with Ikaris and he's growing on me. I didnt know the "celestial" feat. Is it canon? Iirc the eternals have had what like 3 or 4 retcons or soft reboots. Not sure if they're still kirbys original powerhouses. Anyway I'll have to read more on him. I honestly still think etrigan has him in strength and durability edge. But it's closer than i previously thought
It is canon as far as I know. It hasn't been retconned or anything, it's worth noting that the retcon was to protect Celestials at all costs. So even if the Ghaur incident was decades ago (which it was). It wouldn't be retconned because he wasn't officially a Celestial you know, dare I say he doesn't have the Passport with a Celestial face on it on the Celestial driving license.
Anyways here are the things I was talking about.
Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
Prime Eternal Ikaris rips apart part of the shell of the Celestial empowered Ghaur.
Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
Prime Eternal Ikaris is able to hurt Ghaur who has absorbed a form of Celestial energy that gave him a form of power perhaps equal or less to an average Celestial. Although I would guess it probably isn't the full power of a Celestial.But still a very good feat.
Just to reiterate again though it's most likely Ghaur at this point was nowhere near a Celestial. But I reckon he was pretty powerful at this point. It depends on how much stock you want to put in the scans.
I went through all the retcons here.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Great breakdown. I love your posts. Honestly the only eternal i cared about was sersi and that had more to Do with her relationship to dane than anything else. But i see where you're going with Ikaris and he's growing on me. I didnt know the "celestial" feat. Is it canon? Iirc the eternals have had what like 3 or 4 retcons or soft reboots. Not sure if they're still kirbys original powerhouses. Anyway I'll have to read more on him. I honestly still think etrigan has him in strength and durability edge. But it's closer than i previously thought
About the retcon I tried to address it here.
I better stop posting all this stuff here now, don't wannna annoy anyone else here with my bloated walls of text.
Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
[B]X. Retcons/ChangesThe Prime Eternal
The Eternals have been subject to some retcons and changes in their past. In particular the role of the being who becomes
the Prime Eternal (ruler of the Earthbound Eternals) has frequently changed suit. I will now begin to explain the long
story that is the tale of the Prime Eternals.
As we know being the so called current ruler of the Eternals (back in the 1970's) was Zuras. His rule was unchallenged.
During the events of Thor #300, when the Fourth Host of the Celestials was at the peak of making a judgement, Zuras
created a Uni-Mind with the rest of his Eternals. Minus ones such as Ikaris and Sersi. Zuras was killed in the Uni-Mind
along with many of his kin.
http://i.imgur.com/Vtl1o3N.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Cqk8PDh.jpgSince Zuras has been killed. There currently is no Prime Eternal to lead these great beings onwards. The honour to lead
the Eternals next falls on Thena, daughter of Zuras.
http://i.imgur.com/l6k7txe.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/s57IktB.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/7x3ML0h.jpgAfter Thena had been in rule for a while, there were suspicions of foul play by the Prime Eternal herself. As she still
harboured love for the Deviant Kro. In the end Ikaris challenged Thena for the right to be Prime Eternal. With the winner
to be decided in a battle.
http://i.imgur.com/Xk88RUd.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/eSD9rX2.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/z6UTP28.jpgIkaris won the battle, he was now officially the Prime Eternal. And with it came abilities such as this. Being able to
form the ritual of the Uni-Mind for example.
http://i.imgur.com/KKIg7Jh.jpg
For a long while in the comics, Ikaris has a 100% sure position, he is the Prime Eternal. Volume 3 is where it
begins to get very weird. As volume 3 is where the huge Retcon for the Eternals come into play, which I will now discuss.
(don't worry the Prime Eternal discussion will still go on, note I will be splitting it into a separate section as to not
clutter).
The Retcon
For many a decade we knew this as the official origin of the Eternals.
http://i.imgur.com/lT2sHp6.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/c7zoUIL.jpgWell this was all to change.
Instead of being mere thousands of years old they were retconned into being millions of years old!
http://i.imgur.com/cfBYGSG.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/wfO4l27.jpgThis is an extreme jump in years to be retconned. You may wonder how it all happened. It all starts with the "child"
Eternal known as Sprite.
In Volume 3 of Eternals, a huge amount of things have changed. Every single Eternal bar Ikaris and Thena(who both could
resist the power to resist what I shall soon explain).
As soon as Volume 3 kicks in most of the Eternals all complteltey forget the past lives (compared to nothing like this
last volume). Here are some images of the people who have forgotten themselves.
Druig
http://i.imgur.com/FP3QXfC.jpg
Makkari
http://i.imgur.com/Xx1Dzt6.jpg
Sersi
http://i.imgur.com/A6Gg3TX.jpg
And most shockingly of all... Zuras (note Ajak is the person next to him)
http://i.imgur.com/uFyntuV.jpg
The Eternal who was supposedly murdered by the Celestials when they formed the Uni-mind has returned somehow. Here is how
it happened.
Here is Sprite explaining it to Makkari. Or rather the still unawakened version of him.
http://i.imgur.com/B5npdAH.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/GxTenRW.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/pw6rEEQ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KQboSt6.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/5PBaBYh.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/U95Qiuc.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/IzQTw4G.jpgSo Sprite has been casting illusions and warping reality for millions of years. Or rather this is the retcon that
was presented and this is how it was explained. Sprite took Zuras and Ajak and gave them the illusion that they had been
speaking to a Celestial. Sprite organised a Uni-Mind powered by Celestials and used that to warp it into what we face
today.
And there are two other retcons around the Eternals. another thing organised by Sprite.
I will be calling this the Celestial Retcon.
Eternals since thanks to Sprites meddling (or the retcon) are now honour bound to protect the Celestial race. If an
Eternal would attempt to attack a Celestial they would be risking certain death.
http://i.imgur.com/59F1Z09.jpg
And here is a brief set of scans from The Eternals v3 that explains this perfectly. With many of the Eternals offering
explanations. Thena telling Iron Man she can't approach the Celestial. Ikaris mind controlling Hank Pym into not
attacking the Celestial because of this honour bound oath.
http://i.imgur.com/qwmZyQG.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/pZig4Bb.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/PwFB2Cm.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/YpyBX9a.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/TlGM1Qh.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/q7cx0B5.jpgHere is the next set of retconns.
Eternals still can't die so to speak. But if they do suffer sufficient enough injury that they do die (i.e the famed
molecular dispersal) they are reassembled by the machine. They can basically be genetically created and rewritten.
http://i.imgur.com/R9TS1cF.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/2DfWpCS.jpgAs more perfectly described here by Phastos, "a device that perfectly replicates Eternals, then somehow integrates their
conciousness fully intact into their new husk".
http://i.imgur.com/D8zeFFM.jpg
Phastos again states here that without that machine if they die they will be gone for good.
http://i.imgur.com/m8nIM41.jpg
And finally this the quite sad scene when Zuras finds out. As much as Sprite should have paid for his heinous actions. I
can't help but feel it shouldn't have been this way. Sprite also explains what he did a bit more here too.
http://i.imgur.com/oQ5bfgb.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/UkMrus3.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/H35hKUb.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/yhyrG2e.jpgQuite sad really. But that is the retcon in it's whole.
Now, back to the Prime Eternal discussion
Back to the Prime Eternal
So as we know already that Ikaris is the Prime Eternal. Then with the advent of Zuras returning back to life. We suddenly
see that Zuras has somehow taken Ikaris's position.
http://i.imgur.com/YyJhbGR.jpg
(this scan is from the Eternals v4 annual)
Without any word mentioned or uttered. This annoyed me quite a bit. Because I thought that Ikaris had done his due by the
Eternals. He had shepherded them through hard times. And that Zuras didn't deserve the right to take up the position of
Prime Eternal. But I then came to these scans as I neared the end of the v4 run of Eternals.
The remaining Eternals are discussing whether Ikaris should remain as the Prime Eternal. When all of a sudden Zuras (the
supposed Prime Eternal again) arrives with the other Eternals. And Ikaris begins the ritual of the Uni-Mind with the
Dreaming Celestial and Zuras openly joins it. Confirming the fact that Ikaris remains the Prime Eternal!
http://i.imgur.com/xwtqCIq.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/7Hpjfb4.jpgAnd you see even now I am confused. Zuras was made the Prime Eternal by a writer. Ikaris then performs the ritual of the
Uni-Mind which is more proof than anything. Specifically as it was in front of Zuras. I tend to believe that Ikaris
remained the Prime Eternal but I would welcome peoples opinions on the matter. I have gave most of my opinion here.
This is the end of my respect thread and I would very much like to thank everyone who reads this.
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Formatting is a bit messed up but it isn't hard to read.
