Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Yea he's so far up there in power in his weakest form he could wreck pretty much anyone short of another intangible like SS or DM.
I would also keep in mind that he lost a direct battle with the Lady, and she vanquished him. So clearly he can be defeated. To say nothing of the fact that he's been "killed" going on like 5 times now. I get your point, and he's a heavy hitter for sure, just not THAT heavy
Yea but she was basically the ultimate nullifier for him. So thats really not a bad showing. She was the like Kurse to Thor.
Gandalf in a straight up fight would curb stomp her and he took down Balrog as well who was a minion of Sauron from the books iirc.
In this fight against this team, they literally can't do anything to him, their force powers cannot even touch him, they have no shields and his Tk is way beyond theirs and he has uber disintegration powers. If you watch the bridge as Gandalf slowly loses his shield it just vanishes, as did his magic staff.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Yea but she was basically the ultimate nullifier for him. So thats really not a bad showing. She was the like Kurse to Thor.Gandalf in a straight up fight would curb stomp her and he took down Balrog as well who was a minion of Sauron from the books iirc.
In this fight against this team, they literally can't do anything to him, their force powers cannot even touch him, they have no shields and his Tk is way beyond theirs and he has uber disintegration powers. If you watch the bridge as Gandalf slowly loses his shield it just vanishes, as did his magic staff.
Again, just a few things to note. She wasn't his kryptonite or anything like that. She wasn't meant to beat him, nor did she have anything special about her that made her have a better chance against him. She simply vanquished him with her power.
I don't believe the Balrog was a minion of Sauron
True, he is pretty damn badass. Just note though, I would say by feats his TK is any better. We didn't really see him do much with his TK besides levitate Gandalf or the like. He had some kind of disintegration powers, but again, that's not TK. I'd say the Jedi/Sith have decisively better TK feats than Sauron. That said, I understand your point, and they'd have a hard time putting him down
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I would also keep in mind that he lost a direct battle with the Lady, and she vanquished him. So clearly he can be defeated. To say nothing of the fact that he's been "killed" going on like 5 times now. I get your point, and he's a heavy hitter for sure, just not THAT heavy
That simply means Galadriel is that strong. Considering she punted him across a continent, yeah, not really much of a low end showing
Once again, LOTR versions and feats ONLY. Nothing from The Hobbit, the flashbacks or any of the books is valid. This was never meant to have Sauron step into the fight as he never did that at any point during The Frodo timeline.
Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
Do the force users replace the party from LotR, and simply have to accomplish the same quest, with all the assistance afforded to Aragorn and co.? Or do they literally have to solo Sauron's whole army?If it's the latter, that shits never happening in a million years.
The Jedis can just collapse the bridge of the Balrog. Or they can simply outrun it. They will definitely be faster than a bunch of hobbitd slowing down the group.
The biggest problem they'll face is overwhelming numbers. Clone wars proved that Jedis can be brought down with superior numbers. I don't see them surviving the orc army if they're caught in the open.
Originally posted by StealthRanger
Well there's still the Balrog, who's equal to Gandalf who was briefly able to stand up to Sauron's energy tendrils, and Saruman who>Galadriel also punted Sauron's ass across a continent, hate to get on her bad side
The Balrog wasn't a part of Sauron's army though. He had no allegiance to him. So I don't even think he's a part of this fight nor that they would have to go through him to get to Mordor. Even if so, the Balrog wasn't displaying any power other than basic h2h melee combat. He's supposed to be a maiar, but doesn't display any power like that. So if he's just going to come at the Jedi in the same fashion.. they easily TK destroy the bridge or easily TK push him down the pit. In either case, I see no issue there.
Originally posted by FrothByte
The Jedis can just collapse the bridge of the Balrog. Or they can simply outrun it. They will definitely be faster than a bunch of hobbitd slowing down the group.The biggest problem they'll face is overwhelming numbers. Clone wars proved that Jedis can be brought down with superior numbers. I don't see them surviving the orc army if they're caught in the open.
You'll have to remember... they likely won't have to deal with nearly the numbers you are thinking. They would likely TP vast numbers of Orcs and have them start fighting ones they haven't TP'd. They would surprise many and kill many unsuspecting Orcs. TP and TK deal with most of the Fodder. Pretty easily really.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You'll have to remember... they likely won't have to deal with nearly the numbers you are thinking. They would likely TP vast numbers of Orcs and have them start fighting ones they haven't TP'd. They would surprise many and kill many unsuspecting Orcs. TP and TK deal with most of the Fodder. Pretty easily really.
I don't recall any of the Jedi's displaying the power to mind control others to the point where they fightbfor them.
Originally posted by FrothByte
I don't recall any of the Jedi's displaying the power to mind control others to the point where they fightbfor them.
Well the emperor used TP to block the all the Jedi from knowing he was sitting right under their noses. What makes it even more impressive, is the Jedi temple is located ON a lightside nexus, in other words, they are amped just being there. Yet he was still able to cloud ALL their minds to hide his existence.
In a new hope - Finding the droids was one of the upmost priorities for the Emperor and Vader. Yet, Obi-wan casually made them go "These aren't the droid we're looking for" Even though they were. i.e. making them do something against their will.
Even in the latest movie, Rey was important to them and the soldiers knew it... Yet with noob level TP.. she was able to make them let her go.
Point is, if they can make people do something they were specifically ordered to not let happen... that is the same thing as making them fight one another. One isn't worse than the other. They are both making people do stuff against their will