Originally posted by NemeBroThat was six NW members wasn't it? The fact they all six of them are smaller and more nimble than the giant also probably helped. There were also all in a confined (ish) space and the giant was unarmed. Realistically, I don't see The Mountain or Hodor dodging Wun Wuns blows (Sandor may be able to dodge a few). Plus, in terms of actual feats, Wun Wun has got that giant beat. He's also got all the fighters in this thread beat. I don't see how the Mountain or any of the others will survive one swing from Wun Wuns club.
A stronger giant than Wun Wun was soloed by three fighters in the Night's Watch, none of which were a fifth the warrior Gregor or Sandor are. Or even Jon, actually.
Hodor isn't helpful here at all. He may as well not even be present. There is no way the Cleganes can take a giant.
We have one fight scene from the Mountain (in which he looked like a child getting handled by an older sibling), so he doesn't have the feats to back that statement up
The Hound at least has better feats since he was graced with more screen time. Despite that, the Hound got rocked by Brienne of Tarth, who likely wouldn't last more than ten seconds against the Mountain or a giant. Plus, you're still talking about the wrong giant. The Hound and that giants feats all pale in comparison to Wun Wuns. Until we have a clip of the Hound slaughtering wights by the dozens without breaking a sweat, he is severely outclassed.
Nope he was not being handled by a child.
Prince O was the greatest fighter in all of Westeros.
Tarth Beat the hound when he was severely hurt and broken and tired and just gotten bit in the neck and lost a lot of blood and had an infection most likely.
You seriously have some bias here.
The hound did slaughter dozens at the inn when he fought the kings gaurd cause he said "**** the king"
team wins.
And seriously you need to watch game of thrones again, with your eyes open and blinders off.
Originally posted by Time-ImmemorialYou're mixing up my words. I'm not saying Oberyn is a child, I'm saying he made the Mountain look like a child. That is the only showing we have from him, and its useless.
Nope he was not being handled by a child.Prince O was the greatest fighter in all of Westeros.
Tarth Beat the hound when he was severely hurt and broken and tired and just gotten bit in the neck and lost a lot of blood and had an infection most likely.
You seriously have some bias here.
The hound did slaughter dozens at the inn when he fought the kings gaurd cause he said "**** the king"
team wins.
And seriously you need to watch game of thrones again, with your eyes open and blinders off.
And the Hound wasn't near as bad as you make him out to be in that scene. An infection, maybe, but even that wasn't shown or stated. Arya said it could get infected, not that it is infected. Those guys he found in the Inn also weren't kingsguard. They were just men under the employ of the Lannisters. Dozens is a huge exaggeration. Those were 5, maybe 6 men max. He just took forever actually taking them down, and struggled noticeably do so. Arya killed 2 of them. They also had the decency to come at him one at a time. The second two of them attacked him at once, they started beating the hell out of him.
Plus, you call the Nights Watch sub-par soldiers, but they live in the harshest conditions in Westeros and do nothing but train and guard. The couple of guys the Hound beat are just payed to sit around, extort unguarded ins, and rape. Hell, they're lead by Poliver, a weakling whos don't nothing but spent years doing nothing but torture for the Mountains. The Nights Watch would likely wreck their crew in a fight.
And I need to watch game of thrones again? You thought a giant was beaten by 3 people, you thought Wun Wun was severely injured despite having no visible injuries, you thought The Hound took out dozens of men, and you thought a weakling like Poliver and his crew were the Kingsguard (the Kingsguard are the seven most Elite soldiers chosen to guard the king, hence the name).
Lets be realistic here. So far, the best legitimate feat you've been able to provide for anyone on the team was the Hound severely struggling to take out half a dozen men. Wun Wun, on the other hand, has been shown absolutely destroying dozens and dozens of wights without breaking a sweat, which is the greatest feat anyone in the show has to date. Your reasoning for the team winning is that 6 NW soldiers beat Mag, the king of giants.
For some reason, you think the fact that he is the king means he's the strongest. Its not, He's the oldest (which means he's more aged, and likely weaker than Wun Wun). He has no feats to speak of, and was defeated by six men in the show. In the book, he was defeated in single combat with just one Nights Watch member. Mag is not an impressive giant. Still, he killed the 6 armored and armed NW members in a confined space completely unarmed.
Wun Wun, on the other hand, is a younger and stronger giant. The books stated he was bigger and stronger than Mag, which is reflected in the show. Those same six likely wouldn't stand a chance against him. So far, feat for feat, Wun Wun is the greatest physical threat in the show or books not counting dragons. Hodor is useless, Mountain is featless, and the Hound, while impressive, pales in comparison to any giant.
There is no way the team stands a chance here. It's a flat out stomp.
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Mountain couldn't even handle Sandor. Remember back in the first season Hound was winning that fight when Gregor went kinda batshit at the tourney. He only stopped because the King called an end to it.
I'm confused as to how people think even Mountain can take more than one good hit from Wun Wun, with a weapon or without.
Originally posted by KingD19Yeah, it's kind of disappointing. The Mountain in the show pales in comparison to his book incarnation. He's much weaker, slower, and smaller. It must absolutely kill Nemebro to witness that considering it's his favorite ASOIAF character
Mountain couldn't even handle Sandor. Remember back in the first season Hound was winning that fight when Gregor went kinda batshit at the tourney. He only stopped because the King called an end to it.I'm confused as to how people think even Mountain can take more than one good hit from Wun Wun, with a weapon or without.
EDIT: Also just saw Hodor is controlled by John. He wont be as quick or limber as Jon usually is, so its actually kind of a downgrade from normal Jon who'd be more useful here, since speed is more useful than strength in this fight. He's more of a factor now, but not enough to stop this from being a hard stomp
Robert Baratheon was King of Westeros. He certainly wasn't the strongest warrior.
Tywin was head of the Lannisters. He wasn't the strongest.
Walder ruled the Freys, he wasn't the strongest.
Also Wun Wun has more feats, so regardless of what you think, you can't dispute evidence.
I'm starting to see a pattern.
No. Not at all. You're insisting that Mag is the most powerful of the Giants because he was called King by Mance. In that same sentence though, Mance says he's the last of a really old bloodline that existed even before the first men. So like Arachnid said, he's old, and probably only king by his family. Like Joffrey.
And going by feats, all Mag did was take down 6 men, and die in the process.
Wun Wun was literally swarmed by wights who are far more deadly and hard to put down. And he slaughtered them.
Hell, if we even look at a direct comparison. Wun Wun is larger than Mag, so he's already got an advantage over him.
People barely made it to Wun Wun's knees, while Grenn and the others were around waist/stomach level to Mag. In fact, Mag is the smallest Giant we've seen, as even Dongo, the baldheaded one who got killed was larger than Mag.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
You do realize that comparing sizes in stuff like this is almost usless.If a person is younger and bigger than say Ollie or Captain America, are they going to win cause they are younger and bigger?
It's actually not. You're attempting to make it seem that way by using the wrong examples. I'll explain.
Ollie = Green Arrow. A man who for several years honed his body to perfection while becoming the ultimate survivalist and hunter. And then he got trained even further by a clan of assassins.
Captain America = A literal super soldier given well beyond peak human stats by a super soldier serum.
So if people are younger or bigger, they don't have the same experience or training or super powers as them. So would I think Mark Henry is stronger than Cap because he's bigger? Nope, but Mark Henry doesn't have a super drug in his veins.
But if I see Hound standing next to the Mountain? I'm definitely gonna assume Mountain is stronger, and he'd be able to do what Sandor has done despite not chopping a man in half.
If I see The Rock standing next to George Clooney? I'm gonna assume the Rock is stronger than him.
Wun Wun and Mag unlike your examples are both simply giants. They're the same race, no boosts or powers or anything extra. They both fought and lived with the Wildlings, etc... If anything, Mag may have had an easier life by being King. There is nothing to differentiate them aside from looks and size. Wun Wun is much larger, and clearly is pretty strong. So tell me why he wouldn't be as strong or stronger than the guy who is older than him, was injured at the time, and much smaller?