True but Predators are much more durable than humans. The one in Predator 2 took several shotgun blasts at close range was was only KO'd briefly. I've even heard speculation it was faking being KO'd but I'm not sure I buy that. In either case I'm not sure Ant Man's hits were shotgun level
And shrinking it might do more harm than good. If Ant Man shrinks it and then tries to step on it, what's stopping it from plasma blasting thru AM's foot?
Originally posted by juggerman
True but Predators are much more durable than humans. The one in Predator 2 took several shotgun blasts at close range was was only KO'd briefly. I've even heard speculation it was faking being KO'd but I'm not sure I buy that. In either case I'm not sure Ant Man's hits were shotgun level
Yeah, but the point was that using the fight with Falcon as a measuring stick is not the best example, considering we are explicitly told that he would kill regular people if he didn't pull his punches somewhat.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Yeah, but the point was that using the fight with Falcon as a measuring stick is not the best example, considering we are explicitly told that he would kill regular people if he didn't pull his punches somewhat.
Well, they say that his punches could basically hit with the force of a bullet.... but at the same time his hand isn't going to travel any farther than the length of his tiny arm, so it wouldn't penetrate like a bullet. I guess if he hit bone he could crack it, but if he hit muscle/fat it wouldn't be too damaging.
Originally posted by Scoobless
Well, they say that his punches could basically hit with the force of a bullet.... but at the same time his hand isn't going to travel any farther than the length of his tiny arm, so it wouldn't penetrate like a bullet. I guess if he hit bone he could crack it, but if he hit muscle/fat it wouldn't be too damaging.
Not actually. They say he is "like a bullet" in the sense that a comparatively small amount of energy and force does a lot more damage, because of his tiny size. Why else would they go on to specifically say that he would kill someone if he hit too hard? They don't say he could break someone's bones. They specifically say kill.
Humans have given predators issues in H2H/melee before, and none of them had the capabilities Ant-Man does. Also, it's not like tagging a tiny Ant-man is going to be an easy feat for the Predator. Also, is there any proof that a Predator's tech is immune to tampering? Admittedly, a cloaked Predator could be hard for him to detect initially, but if the Predator loses its stealth advantage I don't see it taking down Scott.
I'm not saying a normal human has any chance of beating one. But exceptional ones don't just get killed instantly. Dutch was getting his ass kicked, but he didn't just get killed immediately, and got a shot or two in. I'd regard Ant-Man as more formidable, based on feats, than anything we have seen a Predator hunt on screen. Remember, he himself easily steamrolled through groups of opponents, and defeated the Falcon, despite not trying to actually hurt him.
Beyond the abilities the Ant-Man suit gives Scott, he was already highly agile and skilled at acrobatics, as well as adaptable and intelligent. He's also a highly skilled fighter. Ant-Man also handled Yellowjacket's weapons just fine, and he had a much greater rate of fire than a Predator does IIRC. Other than the stealth, I just don't see anything for Lang to seriously worry about, and he himself would probably remain in tiny mode until he had a handle on what he was dealing with.
Predator could have killed Dutch instantly had it wanted to. It let the fight drag out and allowed Dutch to mount some semblance of an offensive. Nothing he did or could do affected the Pred in the slightest.
The Predator normally goes for the instant kill when the target poses even a minimal threat. And it normally doesn't rush a confrontation either. It typically hangs back cloaked to study the prey. It would likely know more about Lang than Lang could figure out about it
That was due to messing with YJ's tech iirc. Ant Man can't just do that to anyone.
And turning Predator small is a bad way to go. 1. Predator cloaked at normal height is hard to spot. It invisible and tiny would be nigh impossible to see. 2. Even small, the Predator's tech would still work. Meaning it could blast Ant Man with the plasma blasts just as easily. Hell even easier due to Ant Man being a much bigger target
Why are you acting like it'd be such an "easy" thing to tag Scott when, based on feats, targeting and successfully hitting him with ranged weapons has been extremely difficult for everyone who has attempted it? And Lang is hardly just some idiot. He is extremely good at using his intelligence to take stock of the situation, improvise and adapt. So, as pointed out, he'd likely not choose to engage an enemy if he didn't at least have some idea how to engage it either, or where it was for that matter. Scott isn't going to just stand around full sized and wait for the Predator to attack and shoot him. That goes against pretty much everything we have seen of the character so far. Also, being suddenly shrunk to a 100th of its original size is more than likely going to throw off a Predator for at least a moment, regardless of whether its tech still works or not.
But hey, if you believe the Predator pulls off a win then nothing wrong with that. We just disagree on the matter, because I don't believe that the Predator would beat Scott. I believe that Scott's displayed powers/abilities, coupled with the level of intelligence and adaptability he has shown, would allow him to formulate and execute a plan to defeat the Predator. Admittedly, it would help if we had more clear match stipulations. Depending on the environment, starting distance etc. it could massively tip the favour of the fight to either side.
Not saying the Predator would win, but from what I remember it has access to heat/infrared/ultraviolet vision, as well as motion sensing with lock-on capability. While the Predator would initially be at a disadvantage not knowing to look for an enemy that small, Scott might be overconfident if he relies purely on his size to remain out of sight.
Still give the advantage to Ant-Man, though.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Why are you acting like it'd be such an "easy" thing to tag Scott when, based on feats, targeting and successfully hitting him with ranged weapons has been extremely difficult for everyone who has attempted it? And Lang is hardly just some idiot. He is extremely good at using his intelligence to take stock of the situation, improvise and adapt. So, as pointed out, he'd likely not choose to engage an enemy if he didn't at least have some idea how to engage it either, or where it was for that matter. Scott isn't going to just stand around full sized and wait for the Predator to attack and shoot him. That goes against pretty much everything we have seen of the character so far. Also, being suddenly shrunk to a 100th of its original size is more than likely going to throw off a Predator for at least a moment, regardless of whether its tech still works or not.
I'm just pointing out that if AM shrinks Predator then AM becomes a much larger and easier to hit target. That's just common sense. Also I'm not trying to downplay Lang. Hell in the beginning of this very thread I gave him the win. But after thinking on it I've changed my mind.
Lang is skilled no doubt but I don't see his hits downing the Predator when it took many shotgun blasts at close range just to temp KO one. Add to that fact that Lang will no doubt have a very difficult time even locating the Pred to begin with. And I do think the Pred wouldn't find tiny AM right away but it has a better chance imo. Then all it would need to do is fire a plasma blast from a distance. Lang would never even see it coming
Originally posted by golem370
He also at least took a couple shoots from the mini gun and still got away.
Yeah. Preds have walked away from a lot: minigun, shotgun, liquid nitrogen, severed limbs, falling from great height, etc...
However the speed of their plasma casters leaves a little to be desired, we've seen aliens slink out of the way of oncoming shots and we can clearly see the plasma blast moving, not all that fast, across the screen... it's not like a laser blast.