Man taunts Police Officer, Gets Shot

Started by Newjak3 pages

Originally posted by riv6672
Oh its correct. But removal? Not impossible.
Using that statement as the basis to come here and say "hey look at what this cop did he's awful"?
Not cool.
It does add a weird angle to the story if the person was already cuffed and in the back seat. It would seem hard for the person to actually get the gun in those circumstances. It definitely makes it a case worth investigating. It also shows another reason why officers should wear body cams. It would clear this entire mess up quickly.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Thats the reason WHY the pins are there in the first place, so other people can't wrestle the guns out of the holster on a moments notice.

A holster secures the gun, as well as being a gun holder.

Its less "pins" and more like flaps of leather.

If you are taking tv shows and movies as your sources, then you'd be sadly mistaken.

I'm just saying don't you think what you are saying makes no sense? I'm not saying it isn't true, but it just seems silly. Even if, as others have said, it's not impossible to remove..but not necessarily easy to remove it still makes no sense to me. A police officer needs to be able to get his weapon out at a moments notice if he needs it.

So that just seems like a huge flaw that could potentially cause a lot of situations where a cop is killed as a result because he can't pull his gun fast enough.

Originally posted by Surtur
I'm just saying don't you think what you are saying makes no sense? I'm not saying it isn't true, but it just seems silly. Even if, as others have said, it's not impossible to remove..but not necessarily easy to remove it still makes no sense to me. A police officer needs to be able to get his weapon out at a moments notice if he needs it.
From articles I have read they make it harder to take out to protect the police officer so it won't easily come out in a struggle. They've also tried to make holsters that rely on a natural drawing motion to allow the gun to come free so that only the officer should be able to comfortably remove the weapon to bridge the gap between safety and ease of removal. It ultimately depends on the manufacture and security level of the holster but it is a thing.

But it makes sense to try and make it harder for the firearm to come out in a struggle to help prevent officers from being shot by their own weapon.

Okay so it protects him from accidentally shooting himself, but opens him up to being shot from someone else because he can't pull out his gun quick enough.

Originally posted by Surtur
Okay so it protects him from accidentally shooting himself, but opens him up to being shot from someone else because he can't pull out his gun quick enough.
It's not just about shooting himself. It helps keep the suspect from being able to easily remove the gun and shoot the officer with it. The article I saw said their were 48 incidents of this happening.

They also try to make it easier for the officer to remove the gun naturally but make it harder for anyone else to do.

But let's also be honest the number of times an officer is going to be faced with a Western Quickdraw gunfight is going to be minimal. It is much more likely they will already have the gun out if they think they are in a dangerous environment. Or they will be in a situation where that extra millisecond of time delay won't matter. I mean if someone already has their gun drawn on you before you have a chance to draw your gun you're in a bad situation to begin with.

Even still they are trying to get a holster that performs well in all scenarios by allowing quick release only for the officer using the holster but difficult for anyone else to do so.

It just seems like something that could potentially cause the cops death, even if it is rare for there to be instances where you need to draw your gun instantly.

Especially the cops who work in areas with heavy gang activity.

Originally posted by Surtur
It just seems like something that could potentially cause the cops death, even if it is rare for there to be instances where you need to draw your gun instantly.

Especially the cops who work in areas with heavy gang activity.

I don't know what else to tell. I think I've given about all the pertinent facts on the subject of police gun holster safety I could find.

No I understand what you are saying, but I think you can see there is still a potential flaw right that could, in a rare situation, get a cop killed.

Originally posted by Surtur
No I understand what you are saying, but I think you can see there is still a potential flaw right that could, in a rare situation, get a cop killed.
Potentially like I've seen they are working on the balance and if the situation you describe is so rare it saves more lives by making it harder for a struggling suspect to remove the gun then I think that is a good trade off.

Originally posted by Newjak
It does add a weird angle to the story if the person was already cuffed and in the back seat. It would seem hard for the person to actually get the gun in those circumstances. It definitely makes it a case worth investigating. It also shows another reason why officers should wear body cams. It would clear this entire mess up quickly.

Agreed.
Investigste then assign guilt.

Also it would depend on how they are cuffed. If their hands are behind their back then if the guy got the gun out of the holster he is some kind of magician.

Originally posted by Surtur
Also it would depend on how they are cuffed. If their hands are behind their back then if the guy got the gun out of the holster he is some kind of magician.
They were behind his back.

So now why is Dr. Stephen Strange deciding to drunkenly attack cops?

Originally posted by Surtur
So now why is Dr. Stephen Strange deciding to drunkenly attack cops?
He didn't attack anyone, he was pulled over for a DUI and walked to the car. Started mouthing off, next thing you know, there's an abrupt gunshot and the other officer's seem very surprised.

Whats more convincing that the Officer did it is that the guy didn't change the tone of his voice and was shot mid-sentence, in the middle of pronouncing a word, his voice never raised, or get louder, and there was no sounds of a struggle, or groaning, or nothing.

If I'm wrong, you all can call me out on it, hell, I'll even ask Ush to close the thread, but as of now, I'm 99.9% sure police corruption is the cause.

Okay I was joking at that point...yeah if he's cuffed behind his back the whole "took my gun out of my holster" thing sounds fishy, whether you need pins or not to keep it in. I could maybe see if your hands are in front of you..but behind?

This is just another d-bag cop too stupid to come up with a more convincing excuse. Some men can't handle being taunted, put a gun in that hand and things get messy.

I notice my post wasnt addressed. Tells me what i needed to know.
I'm out.

Originally posted by riv6672
I notice my post wasnt addressed. Tells me what i needed to know.
I'm out.
Dude, I agree with you, investigate, but you also had a slight bias yourself, believing the the "trusted police officer" was in the clear, when we have every reason to believe he shot the guy.

Who knows, maybe it was a complete accident, and we're both wrong.

Honestly though, in recent times, the police aren't trustworthy of SHIT, I wouldn't trust today's officers as far as I can throw them, and I don't think I'm the only one, considering the huge overabundance of police brutality threads and news reports.

More and more people in the us are automatically slanted against the cops. Tell me why almost all of the "racist" cop shootings are ultimately proven in favor of the cops, and why do people still keep this slant? I'm very wary of many police but this automatic assumption is bs