Amped Kyle Katarn vs. Darth Traya

Started by carthage2 pages

Amped Kyle Katarn vs. Darth Traya

Kyle as of Legacy of the Force
*Kyle has his Valley of the Jedi amp

Force sabers all out

Sabers only - Kyle godstomps.
Force only - Traya easily.
All out - more random than redpill's posts.

Re: Amped Kyle Katarn vs. Darth Traya

Originally posted by carthage
Kyle as of Legacy of the Force
*Kyle has his Valley of the Jedi amp

So... he's his normal self then?

I was expecting MoS Kyle.

Either way.

Kyle beats Kreia in sabers.

Traya wins force.

All out likely goes to Kyle IMHO

How is it "his normal state" when he could strip a force user like Jerec of the force while amped in the Valley?

That seems well beyond his normal capabilities imo

Originally posted by carthage
How is it "his normal state" when he could strip a force user like Jerec of the force while amped in the Valley?

That seems well beyond his normal capabilities imo

Oh my bad, I thought you meant Jedi Outcast Valley of the Jedi. Not DF.

I mean even that's assuming Kyle is amped forever. Don't remember hearing that.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
I mean even that's assuming Kyle is amped forever. Don't remember hearing that.

FC, where it not permanent Kyle would have no force connection afterwards. He cut his connection to the force after MoS 😬

So did Meetra. It's just a wall of light, which again, can be reversed.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
So did Meetra. It's just a wall of light, which again, can be reversed.

Meetra and Kyle are to two different things.

You can't honestly compare their situations as one would compare an orange to a grapefruit.

They both were cut off by serving themselves, so.... Still not seeing why Kyle would be permanently severed. Traya was severed as well, wasn't a Force Wound, and still was able to recover her connection in her own.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
They both were cut off by serving themselves, so.... Still not seeing why Kyle would be permanently severed. Traya was severed as well, wasn't a Force Wound, and still was able to recover her connection in her own.

Well either the JO or the TCSWE stated his powers had atrophied after cutting himself off from the force. Kinda why he needed the Valley. Logic would infer that after his powers died out he was cut off from the force.

Also the Amp from the Valley is implied to be permanent as the Reborn where able to draw from it and wield it's power all the way from the Outcast era to the Jaden Korr days.

Plus the likelihood of Kyle going through Nar Shaddaa, Bespin, The Crain Station and Yavin in a manner of days is silly.

If the amp was temporary neither Kyle nor the Reborn(the majority who had little force potential) would be capable of force powers.

Also the circumstances regarding the reasons why they cut their connections are very different. You're not an imbecile, you know KoTor's story well.

The Exile's connection drew upon all death, it sucked the life out of living things, as Vrook explained it. That and her bonds with her allies.
The game narrative, guides and the characters all note this. The reason she continues to use the force is because of her unique situation as a wound, not to mention that Kreia states that she perhaps she is the reason why the Exile can feel the force again

Whereas Kyle needed the Valley to restore his force Connection and because of this his powers quadrupled.

If Kyle where not cut off from the force he would not have been so easily manhandled by Desann.

Kreia's connection wasn't even entirely cut

Nihilus and Sion weren't strong enough to drain/sever her entirely

As indicated by liberal use of hibernation trance, telepathy, and such fun shit even before Surik rediscovered her Force powers on Peragus.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Well either the JO or the TCSWE stated his powers had atrophied after cutting himself off from the force. Kinda why he needed the Valley. Logic would infer that after his powers died out he was cut off from the force.

Again, Wall of Light is never said to irreversible. Ulic was severed too, yet somehow he was able to become One with the Force at death.

Also the Amp from the Valley is implied to be permanent as the Reborn where able to draw from it and wield it's power all the way from the Outcast era to the Jaden Korr days.

This is ignoring that they used the Staff of Ragnos to give themselves power.

Plus the likelihood of Kyle going through Nar Shaddaa, Bespin, The Crain Station and Yavin in a manner of days is silly.

It doesn't when he's slowly regaining his connection to the Force throughout the story.

If the amp was temporary neither Kyle nor the Reborn(the majority who had little force potential) would be capable of force powers.

Assuming any type of amp would only last a few days tops sure.

Also the circumstances regarding the reasons why they cut their connections are very different. You're not an imbecile, you know KoTor's story well.

The reasons I walk down streets and you walk down streets are different too. Doesn't really change that we both walk down streets.

The Exile's connection drew upon all death, it sucked the life out of living things, as Vrook explained it. That and her bonds with her allies.
The game narrative, guides and the characters all note this. The reason she continues to use the force is because of her unique situation as a wound, not to mention that Kreia states that she perhaps she is the reason why the Exile can feel the force again

That's...that's because the Exile was still severed from the force in KotOR II. She isn't in Revan. That means her connection to the Force was restored after KotOR II. It's really not that hard.

Whereas Kyle needed the Valley to restore his force Connection and because of this his powers quadrupled.

That really doesn't change that both were cut off from the force due to Wall of Light. The Exile cut herself off the exact same way Kyle cut himself off from the Force. There is really no difference whatsoever in how they restored these connections, they both drew energy from somewhere else.

If Kyle where not cut off from the force he would not have been so easily manhandled by Desann.

I mean what does this have to do with anything? Kyle cut himself off from the force. He thought Jan was dead. He went to the Valley to restore his connection to the force. As time goes on, it is restored. A+B=C.
Originally posted by ChaosTheory123
Kreia's connection wasn't even entirely cut

Nihilus and Sion weren't strong enough to drain/sever her entirely

As indicated by liberal use of hibernation trance, telepathy, and such fun shit even before Surik rediscovered her Force powers on Peragus.


The **** are you talking about? Kreia was completely cut off from the Force, she state's it was stripped away from her. The idea that Nihilus can drain a planet but not one woman is pretty ****tarded as well.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
The **** are you talking about? Kreia was completely cut off from the Force, she state's it was stripped away from her.

That explains the usage of telepathy and hibernation trance to the extent she looked like a corpse upon Surik's inspection at the start of the game

The idea that Nihilus can drain a planet but not one woman is pretty ****tarded as well.

Quaint little argument from belief when you have characters in the franchise with reserves of power comparable to planetary nexus

Well if her connection to the Force had been entirely severed should would have died so...

Not that that implies they couldn't. It's evident that for whatever reason they allowed Kreia to live.

Didn't the cut content establish Nihilus and Sion were kind of surprised she was alive?

EDIT - Yeah, this

https://youtu.be/IobIhctxRXg?t=45s

Yes they do, however its clear when Kreia recounts her betrayal that they were aware she was alive, considering Sion proceeds to give her a beating and she goes on to suffer "indignities."

Maybe Nihilus assumed she would eventually die, or maybe they tried to kill her properly later on. We don't know. What we do know is that they should have been fully capable of killing her at the Trayus Core, even if it meant finishing her off with a lightsaber, but they didn't.

Possible, but not what I got from the scene :hmm

It is admittedly open to interpretation

Figured the indignities she suffered was either the fight or whatever she had to do to survive in her "exile"

Pretty clear from Sion's words that Nihilus assumed he killed her. Why would I assume they had a later conflict? That's never implied on screen.

Maybe they didn't because they thought she was already dead? You drain someone of their power, they're kind of supposed to die

Like I said, all up to interpretation *shrugs*

Right, and watch the first 45 seconds of that video I linked

Contextually, the entire conversation was Sion taunting Nihilus about his failures

Darth Traya's return just being another anecdote Sion chose to hit him with from what I could tell

Well it should have been obvious that Nihilus attack didn't kill her, considering she is right there, living and breathing, in front of them.

Maybe they assumed the beatdown she received after finished her off. She did look pretty dead after that.

EDIT: As for a implied later conflict/series of events, Sion says when they first meet "after all that has happened, still you live. You are difficult to kill", which arguably implies plural events/attempts on her life.