Darth Krayt & Darth Vader vs Revan & Arcann

I've played the game, Beni. When I say it's not focused, I mean as compared to both of the other attacks Valkorion used. It's nowhere near the same.
@Sinious: How does talking about a bunch of excess lightning show how focused the attack was? And duh it harms everything it touches without a shield. It's Lightning. 😬
@Neph: You have some showings for Arcann in those the years? He's been in two fights so far. It's the only thing we have to work with. And considering I started this conversation out by saying losing isn't a feat. I'm glad you agree with me. Your long winded repeating of what Sinious said is appreciated. No, I don't think Vader or Krayt would do better. I'm also pretty sure any random out there can also be one-shotted. That doesn't make them on Vader or Krayt's level.

Except the amount of time he was resisting Valkorion's lightning is an improvement to getting one-shotted 5 years prior, and even though the lightning was weakened compared to Valkorion's full strength, it was still powerful enough to unleash excess lightning that caused great amount of damage to its surroundings. The cutscene makes it clear that Arcann was at the focal point of that massive attack and resisting it for 50 seconds is an incredible feat, considering the fact that most lightning fights don't really last long.

Well it doesn't really matter anyway, when we have Starkiller not only defending against but absorbing Palpy's lightning for a time.

Vader & Krayt >> Starkiller so they'd be logically capable of tanking a frankly weaker strain of lightning (without having to absorb it) and then some.

Do you think that version of Sidious has superior lightning to Valky?

Of a weakened Valkorion channeled through an inferior vessel? Definitely.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Well it doesn't really matter anyway, when we have Starkiller not only defending against but absorbing Palpy's lightning for a time.

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Originally posted by Beniboybling
Vader & Krayt >> Starkiller so they'd be logically capable of tanking a frankly weaker strain of lightning (without having to absorb it) and then some.

ABC logic ho!

Wasn't Starkiller basically going one-ness at that point? He was going balls-deep on blocking that shit. Also Vader can't do tutaminis and he did get lightning pwned in TFU2, afterall. And wasn't Krayt lightning-pwned by Muur or something? I see no reason to just assume that Krayt and Vader have better lightning defenses than Starkiller did at that point. Being more powerful doesn't automatically make you better in all areas.

Also I'm not sure Sidious does have better lightning. He hasn't equalled that level of raw destruction with it.

Originally posted by Nephthys
ABC logic ho!

Wasn't Starkiller basically going one-ness at that point? He was going balls-deep on blocking that shit.

Also Vader can't do tutaminis

and he did get lightning pwned in TFU2, afterall.

And wasn't Krayt lightning-pwned by Muur or something?

I see no reason to just assume that Krayt and Vader have better lightning defenses than Starkiller did at that point. Being more powerful doesn't automatically make you better in all areas.

Also I'm not sure Sidious does have better lightning. He hasn't equalled that level of raw destruction with it.

Naturally this showing is infinitely inferior to the destructive power of a Force storm, so I warrant he does.

@Legend, Palpatine bypassed his defenses, so hardly surprising.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Suck it. 🙂

Sorry, but I'm in a committed relationship with whooping your ass.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
He only experiences oneness towards the end of the feat to literally grab on to Palpy and promptly explodes, but that happens after absorbing Palpatine's lightning (for roughly 20 seconds by in-game cutscenes) and taking steps towards him.

Well maybe Sidious just has shit-tier lightning that anyone SK-tier can block. Which you seem to think. Or maybe SK was going all out and Sidious wasn't. Or maybe SK is just, pretty damn good at tutaminis. You think Vader could actually block Sidious' lightning with a barrier? Prove it. He sure as shit didn't and hasn't ever shown that he could.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Which is relevant because? There are other ways to block lightning, like with a barrier Arcann employs.

Character A can perform a feat with technique 1.

So obviously Character B can perform the same feat with technique 2!

My logic is completely flawless! Even though they are different characters with different strengths and weaknesses and they are using different techniques obviously they're the same!

Originally posted by Beniboybling
1. SK's attack slipped past his defenses 2. There is no evidence it really injured him, and Witwer says he was faking.

Not in the game.

Did he fake losing a hand as well?

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Pre-prime Krayt who like Vader didn't have an opportunity to raise any defenses and had just been impaled with a lightsaber.

I know. So whats Krayts actual best defensive feat?

Originally posted by Beniboybling
As far as the bread and butter abilities go in kinda does. Vader and Krayt possess both more raw power than SK and greater Force mastery, there is no reason to assume they have inferior Force defenses.

I'd rather not assume anything, actually. Because I'm not, I'm just not taking it on faith that being more powerful means you're better in every regard. Kinda doesn't, actually. Fact is Krayt hasn't shown TK or lightning on par with others, I'm not going to just give him feats he doesn't have. Same with barrier and tutaminis.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
ROTJ Palpatine was capable of generating Force storms, just not fully controlling them.

Naturally this showing is infinitely inferior to the destructive power of a Force storm, so I warrant he does.

IDGAF about Force Storms. Different shit. Sidious can't blast apart fleets with standard force lightning. It's irrelevant.

@Nephthys

Exactly. 👆

Krayt is wanked to all hell. If Revan is pitted against Krayt and Vader is pitted against Arcann I'd give it to team 2.