in ROTJ why was sidious so easily defeated by Vader?

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
I' sure Sidious can bs flowery language. He's done it several times before.

not just flowerly language. it describes a mindset, and the heart which obviously is the opposite of what yoda describes

Nope, it basically describes a bunch of bullshizzle, like everything else Yoda has ever said.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Nope, it basically describes a bunch of bullshizzle, like everything else Yoda has ever said.

He's a failure who basically watched the Order crumble, so yeah.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
He's a failure who basically watched the Order crumble, so yeah.

Originally posted by redpill
per yoda,

to use the light side, you must embrace it

Wouldn't be the first time Yoda was wrong. Also the rule of two principles are to learn both sides of the force as to better be able to fight the Jedi.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
It's because Darth Vader is canonically the most powerful Jedi and Sith of all time.

I've always wanted to see some kind of Star Wars "What If" type story where Anakin reaches his full potential. Who knows they might of done it already.

Double post, my bad!

Maybe Palpatine slowed down a lot between III and VI.

It's sort of funny, Darth Vader put Palpatine in a similar situation he put Mace Windu years earlier.

Originally posted by sweersa
Double post, my bad!

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
This kid's a newb f*g.

I guess so, one year after you were! 😄

Because Lucas himself never intended for any of these characters to be anywhere near as powerful as novels and comics try to portray them. Order 66 or Jango Fett being a credible threat makes no sense if these guys can move at sublight speeds.

Everyone moves at sublight speeds.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Everyone moves at sublight speeds.

Ze joke, you missed it.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Because the Emperor was never supposed to be this Super Saiyan character with light speed reflexes and movements and wicked awesome saber skills. Nor was Vader. Or Luke. THey could do some cool shit, but Jesus Christ, they weren't superheros.

Well, mostly because Lucas changed his mind about a lot of things. During making the OT he stated that Yoda and Palpy weren't the kind of Force users that wielded lightsabers. Their knowledge of the Force and their powers were different. In the PT he is the one that turned them into superheroes, which clearly they weren't meant to be when Lucas made the OT.

I didn't know the Dark Phoenix was in Star Wars. That is so wicked f*cking sick, bruuuuhh.

well, in story he was caught up in his own hubris and didn't notice Vaders turmoil while trying to KILL HIS SON

in the real world Lucas didn't have the tech to make the Jedi/Sith as powerful as he would have liked, hence why Dooku, a 100 year old man was able to do flips off of balconies and beat up on two young, powerful Jedi but old Ben could barley parry a blow from a stiff cyborg.

Originally posted by relentless1
well, in story he was caught up in his own hubris and didn't notice Vaders turmoil while trying to KILL HIS SON

in the real world Lucas didn't have the tech to make the Jedi/Sith as powerful as he would have liked, hence why Dooku, a 100 year old man was able to do flips off of balconies and beat up on two young, powerful Jedi but old Ben could barley parry a blow from a stiff cyborg.

Would have sounded more like: "Special FX are the key to all this. A sci-fi story without special effects is a pretty boring thing."

He's good at spinning his limitation into credit.