Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
What makes this stomp? Colossus was a brick house. Thor does't have the absolute best H2H against other bricks.
Have to agree with you here. Everyone keeps saying it's a stomp... why???
This fight could go either way. I'm giving a majority to Thor due to experience and fighting skills but he's definitely going to get banged up.
Yeah, this is by no means a stomp for Thor. He has more experience and is likely more skilled in H2H, but he doesn't have much in the way of feats fighting without his hammer. And Colossus was a big bruiser (and quite a strong and tough one at that), but he wasn't that slow or unskilled himself. This would be a hard fight for Thor, but if he uses his skill and XP properly he should win a majority. People are under-rating Colossus though.
Thor has quite a number of feats fighting withut his hammer. He fought IM (who's armor had more durability feats than Colossus) and Hulk for some time without Mjolnir. He fought the whole SHIELD base without his hammer. He had a few h2h scenes in TDW.
If you want to include deleted scenes he fights off armed asgarfians in TDW and has a prolonged fight against Vision in AOU. In fact, he has more h2h feats than colossus.
Other than that, I agree with what you said.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Thor has quite a number of feats fighting withut his hammer. He fought IM (who's armor had more durability feats than Colossus) and Hulk for some time without Mjolnir. He fought the whole SHIELD base without his hammer. He had a few h2h scenes in TDW.
Despite that, the moments we see are relatively brief. From those little bits we saw, I just never got the same sense that this is a guy who really excels at H2H, like Cap, Bucky or even Widow does. Compared to that, he has an enormous amount of feats fighting while relying predominantly on his hammer. So guess I mean comparatively little in the way of H2H feats, and none that really struck me as showing massive levels of H2H skill.
Put it this way, if you gave people like Widow, Cap or Bucky equal physical stats to Thor and asked me who I would pick in rounds against him in pure H2H, I would go with the other 3 every time.
Originally posted by FrothByte
If you want to include deleted scenes he fights off armed asgarfians in TDW and has a prolonged fight against Vision in AOU. In fact, he has more h2h feats than colossus.Other than that, I agree with what you said.
Deleted scenes are a sticky slope, so I'd rather not use that as actual evidence. And while Colossus only has one actual fight, it's a pretty extended one, and then we also already get some degree of what he was capable of just based on the bridge scene.
But anyway, we both agree that Thor is by no means stomping him. Colossus displayed too much strength, durability, and enough skill of his own to make it a fight.
Cap and Widow use fancier moves for sure, doesn't make Thor any less competent a h2h fighter. Taking out SHIELD agents as easily as he did should give you an idea of how skilled he was, and that was him being a normal human which is more than what can be said for Cap. Yes, I consider Cap a better h2h fighter but Thor isn't too far behind either.
Here's a question. Back when Thor had lost all of his powers and broke in the SHIELD base, if he had fought BW h2h how would you have expected the fight to go? Actually don't answer that, I'll just make a thread.