Karness Muur vs. Starkiller (Force Battle)

*TK, Lightning only

Duel takes place on neutral ground

Which Starkiller? Original Starkiller? Clone Starkiller? Darth Starkiller?

TFU II novel clone

Starkiller have superior showings but Karness Muur is implied to be more powerful then Darth Vader.

You handicapped Muur in options as well. Clever.

His lightning overwhelmed a hindered Darth Krayt to be fair, he is also supposedly on par with Ragnos and Nadd.

I'm guessing Muur has taken bodily form?

Either way Muur should win, his powers "outshone" pre-prime Krayt who is already at that point Vader-tier.

Tbh, that was Celeste Morne empowered by the Muur Talisman, not Muur himself.

One of Muur's signature techniques was apparently absorbing an opponent's power and tossing it back. So, raw power aside, he's specced for force-battle.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Tbh, that was Celeste Morne empowered by the Muur Talisman, not Muur himself.

Starkiller.

Do we have enough info on Muur's FPs to accurately comment on this?

Originally posted by Col. Valerian
Do we have enough info on Muur's FPs to accurately comment on this?

Most of what we saw him do was force powers, and known badasses like Vader and Krayt clearly felt he was a highly skilled powerhouse.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Yeah but its Muur's power that is explicitly referred to.

http://comicvine.gamespot.com/profile/beniboybling/blog/understanding-the-nature-of-force-ghosts-sith-spir/105225/

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Originally posted by AncientPower
His lightning overwhelmed a hindered Darth Krayt to be fair, he is also supposedly on par with Ragnos and Nadd.

Nadd isn't on Ragnos' level, so I dunno why you'd bring him up.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Tbh, that was Celeste Morne empowered by the Muur Talisman, not Muur himself.

Why would it matter if it was his Talisman or not? I'm not really sure the Murr Talisman > Murr's own power, that just seems rather bizarre.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
If he's on par with Ragnos, then he wins.

Nadd isn't on Ragnos' level, so I dunno why you'd bring him up.

There is a canon statement that puts the three of them on the same tier.

We know Ragnos > Sadow, we also know Nadd > Sadow. Makes sense really.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Why would it matter if it was his Talisman or not? I'm not really sure the Murr Talisman > Murr's own power, that just seems rather bizarre.

Well, Muur did want to possess stronger bodies. Like, he wanted to move from Morne to Vader/Cade/Krayt/etc. (well, *partially* because she didn't let him play, but also because it seemed Muur-in-Vader > Muur-in-Morne).

And the talisman needed a body to act at full. So it could be a bit of a multiplier. I.e. if he got in someone really weak like a darkside cultist, he may be at half strength. A powerful master, full strength. A Skywalker or the like, a small multiplier, putting the result above either Muur or the host on their own.

Though at the end, Muur-in-Morne is the best judge we have as to what his level is like, since we don't really see him elsewhere, aside from a vision or two of what he may be like in others.

Well of course he'd be more powerful in the Chosen One.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Why would it matter if it was his Talisman or not? I'm not really sure the Murr Talisman > Murr's own power, that just seems rather bizarre.

Maybe because it was Celeste + Muur, not just Muur alone?

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Maybe because it was Celeste [B]+ Muur, not just Muur alone? [/B]

Well you made it sound as if it was just the Talisman not adding Celeste.