Originally posted by Zack M
Agreed. Didn't Orion get the best of MOGO in Godhead? I know he owned Hal, which is no small feat.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Yeah. He powered through some kind of localized gravity increase by Mogo and really embarrassed Hal on two occasions. And Hal is pretty much up there as GL's go yet it looked like he was not even a threat.
Most forget that he also obliterated two Black Lantern Promethean Giants in the final fight scene. It really is pretty uber when you think about it.
Do you have the scans of the Promethean Giant scene?
Originally posted by SquallX
Right, because it's not like Orion never stalemated the like of Superman and Wonder Woman, or a guy that held a boom tube open with his bare hands, or made Lanterns look like a joke before him.Oh wait, he did
Astro force should be quicker on the draw.
And if not, it can create force fields. At least in the pre-nu52 era, he held back a universal implosion bomb that would have ended the universe..
Originally posted by cdtm
Astro force should be quicker on the draw.And if not, it can create force fields. At least in the pre-nu52 era, he held back a universal implosion bomb that would have ended the universe..
What's even worse is that the New Gods are in a way always weakened. In one arc, we found out there actually giants, and the reason there appears normal sizes are due to the Mother Boxes shrinking them so we can perceived them.
And in Simonson's run on Orion, he proved he could increase his size even further, towering over Darkseids as he stood at the top of his fortress, overlooking Apokolips. (Orion's chest crumbed some of the area, proving it wasn't some sort of illusion.)
Too bad Walt never got to finish that series. He claimed Orion and Darkseid would have fought while planet sized..
Originally posted by cdtm
And in Simonson's run on Orion, he proved he could increase his size even further, towering over Darkseids as he stood at the top of his fortress, overlooking Apokolips. (Orion's chest crumbed some of the area, proving it wasn't some sort of illusion.)Too bad Walt never got to finish that series. He claimed Orion and Darkseid would have fought while planet sized..
That would have been something. It's a shame the whole size thing is not alluded on more.
So are people going to post feats to show Orion is massively massively more durable then the likes of Gladiator? It's the only way he wins, and nope not a single thing mentioned so far shows such durability so I'm quite curious what feat people think equates to this.
Since Wonder Woman shouldn't be able to do so much as scratch the dude if he is consistently shown as that absurdly durable.
Originally posted by SquallX
What's even worse is that the New Gods are in a way always weakened. In one arc, we found out there actually giants, and the reason there appears normal sizes are due to the Mother Boxes shrinking them so we can perceived them.
This always made me wonder why someone like Darkseid didn't just show up on Earth, but not by using a boom tube. Then he'd be like 2000 feet tall and he'd stomp everyone.
Originally posted by Surtur
So are people going to post feats to show Orion is massively massively more durable then the likes of Gladiator? It's the only way he wins, and nope not a single thing mentioned so far shows such durability so I'm quite curious what feat people think equates to this.Since Wonder Woman shouldn't be able to do so much as scratch the dude if he is consistently shown as that absurdly durable.
Originally posted by SquallXUsing sarcasm in your opening statement is kind of something that a douche would do. The superman showing is impressive for sure but I'm kind of wondering about the wonder woman showing. I never saw his fight with her and all that I can remember about anything orion and wonder woman related was him getting repeatedly humiliated through the course of her series (to the point where there was a hand imprint on my head from all the face palming that I was forced to do). Humiliating lanterns is impressive as well, especially since several of the different lantern core's top members were getting beat on by him.
Right, because it's not like Orion never stalemated the like of Superman and Wonder Woman, or a guy that held a boom tube open with his bare hands, or made Lanterns look like a joke before him.Oh wait, he did
I believe that black bolt will beat him because his power is faster and far easier to use than orion's. We've already seen that black bolt's strength enables him to throw down with characters like the hulk, namor, gladiator, etc, so he shouldn't have too much of a problem in h2h (orion would still have the clear advantage in those circumstances though). We also know that his whispers alone have rocked gladiator, vulcan, the hulk, namor, wonder man, iron man, sentry (he wasn't really hurt but he was impressed by it), and silver surfer. I don't think that this is an easy fight by any stretch of the imagination, but I think that black bolt wins more often than not.
Originally posted by deathslash
Using sarcasm in your opening statement is kind of something that a douche would do. The superman showing is impressive for sure but I'm kind of wondering about the wonder woman showing. I never saw his fight with her and all that I can remember about anything orion and wonder woman related was him getting repeatedly humiliated through the course of her series (to the point where there was a hand imprint on my head from all the face palming that I was forced to do). Humiliating lanterns is impressive as well, especially since several of the different lantern core's top members were getting beat on by him.I believe that black bolt will beat him because his power is faster and far easier to use than orion's. We've already seen that black bolt's strength enables him to throw down with characters like the hulk, namor, gladiator, etc, so he shouldn't have too much of a problem in h2h (orion would still have the clear advantage in those circumstances though). We also know that his whispers alone have rocked gladiator, vulcan, the hulk, namor, wonder man, iron man, sentry (he wasn't really hurt but he was impressed by it), and silver surfer. I don't think that this is an easy fight by any stretch of the imagination, but I think that black bolt wins more often than not.
I think both of their powers are easy to access/use. Pre-Flashpoint Orion easily swated away the Justice league, which included the Flash and Superman and Black Bolt isn't faster than either of them.
And while BB's scream is certainly insanely powerful, Orion's Astro Force has some nice showings.
For example, he caused world wide earthquakes, as a side effect of firing his beams from the moon.
Think how Thor was swinging Mjolnir at a target, and ended up cracking a far distant world open (A moon, I think.)
Originally posted by SurturThis happened in Final Crisis--Darkseid 'fell' straight from the 4th World into the 3rd dimension, without the aid of a Boom Tube. This caused him to become a metaphysical singularity of sorts that was literally collapsing the entire multiverse, and dragging it down with him.
This always made me wonder why someone like Darkseid didn't just show up on Earth, but not by using a boom tube. Then he'd be like 2000 feet tall and he'd stomp everyone.
Originally posted by cdtmThis is dcnu. DC fans just cited whatever continuity they think help gets Orion the win.
And in Simonson's run on Orion, he proved he could increase his size even further, towering over Darkseids as he stood at the top of his fortress, overlooking Apokolips. (Orion's chest crumbed some of the area, proving it wasn't some sort of illusion.)Too bad Walt never got to finish that series. He claimed Orion and Darkseid would have fought while planet sized..