Not quite because I'm not aligned either way with on American political spectrum. The problem people have on this forum and in American politics is there's no middle ground. All the calls with regards to the BLM movement either lay the entirety of the problem at one side or other. Cops are all murderers or black people are criminals. No one's interested in solutions. No one's interested in compromise. People are only interested in proclaiming their own argument as right and anyone else wrong and that's almost always determined by what side of the political divide they support. There's the odd tokenistic acknowledgment of a police force putting on a barbecue in a black neighborhood and such like but nobody's interested because doesn't feed into their inherent biases.
Originally posted by jaden101
Not quite because I'm not aligned either way with on American political spectrum. The problem people have on this forum and in American politics is there's no middle ground. All the calls with regards to the BLM movement either lay the entirety of the problem at one side or other. Cops are all murderers or black people are criminals. No one's interested in solutions. No one's interested in compromise. People are only interested in proclaiming their own argument as right and anyone else wrong and that's almost always determined by what side of the political divide they support. There's the odd tokenistic acknowledgment of a police force putting on a barbecue in a black neighborhood and such like but nobody's interested because doesn't feed into their inherent biases.
Except what you just said is BS. There is a middle ground actually. Nobody says every single member of the black race is a criminal, nobody says this is all one sided.
Nobody is interested in compromise? So many times have I and many others said both sides need to work on it. I and many others like me have admitted the police are not perfect. But what some refuse to do is to have the black community take any responsibility at all. They will bend over backwards to get around doing this. They will use any excuse under the sun and will call you racist if you point out facts that make the community look bad.
You talk about nobody being willing to compromise, but it's only one side of this that will burn down their own cities out of anger at something that was justified.
At least you can point to a few concrete examples of the cops trying to make this situation better. They have indeed tried to change policies and training and are still doing so, they are trying to make it so every cop has a body cam, etc. What has the black community done to do THEIR part in stopping this? Can you name me anything? Besides burning down their own buildings? Remember we haven't heard about a SINGLE person being shot by the cops in Milwaukee besides the initial gun wielding victim. Yet they've had their cars set on fire, rocks, bottles, and BRICKS thrown at them, and they have held back. A few months ago a cop was paralyzed permanently via a brick being used against him, so these things are indeed life threatening. Just tell me what you've seen the black community doing to try to stop this? Not just stop the rioting over stupid stuff, but the massive amounts of violence. I'm asking for more than "they protested" when it comes to stuff they have done. What steps have the black community taken to fix this that they did not take before?
If there's a middle ground you're certainly nowhere near it. Your angry reactionary rant makes that clear. If you're so interested in examples of members of the black community trying to foster better relationships with police in areas of tension then you can easily look them up. I found 5 examples in as many minutes. It's not difficult.
The problem is you obviously don't want to.
Originally posted by jaden101
Not quite because I'm not aligned either way with on American political spectrum. The problem people have on this forum and in American politics is there's no middle ground. All the calls with regards to the BLM movement either lay the entirety of the problem at one side or other. Cops are all murderers or black people are criminals. No one's interested in solutions. No one's interested in compromise. People are only interested in proclaiming their own argument as right and anyone else wrong and that's almost always determined by what side of the political divide they support. There's the odd tokenistic acknowledgment of a police force putting on a barbecue in a black neighborhood and such like but nobody's interested because doesn't feed into their inherent biases.
There is a middle ground but those in it are usually not vocal enough to be counted among the populus.
Originally posted by MS Warehouse
There is a middle ground but those in it are usually not vocal enough to be counted among the populus.
Or its not considered newsworthy.
Then again if people were more interested in finding solutions and compromises instead of playing the blame game then it would be considered newsworthy.
Originally posted by jaden101
If there's a middle ground you're certainly nowhere near it. Your angry reactionary rant makes that clear. If you're so interested in examples of members of the black community trying to foster better relationships with police in areas of tension then you can easily look them up. I found 5 examples in as many minutes. It's not difficult.The problem is you obviously don't want to.
They do the same shit people have always been doing, and obviously it isn't working. So I ask again, give some some specific NEW things people are doing that are actually making a big difference.
Just list them, new effective shit that is being done. Violence is on the rise in Chicago, the shit isn't working. Can you list me anything worthwhile being done?
I'm not asking for examples of them fostering better relations for police because it's not a huge amount of police doing this shit. Show me examples of them trying to stop black on black violence, show me new solutions. The police aren't the ones burning down cities and killing blacks at record rates, tell us all what the black community is doing to stop this.
Originally posted by Lestov16
http://www.salon.com/2016/08/18/milwaukees-violent-protests-are-no-surprise-even-by-american-standards-the-city-has-long-mistreated-its-black-community/
Dude just..no. I don't care how shitty their neighborhood is, they had no right to do what they did. It's ALWAYS someone elses fault.
Originally posted by jaden101I can relate to your sentiment with regard to American politics and the polarizing nature of these discussions.
Not quite because I'm not aligned either way with on American political spectrum. The problem people have on this forum and in American politics is there's no middle ground. All the calls with regards to the BLM movement either lay the entirety of the problem at one side or other. Cops are all murderers or black people are criminals. No one's interested in solutions. No one's interested in compromise. People are only interested in proclaiming their own argument as right and anyone else wrong and that's almost always determined by what side of the political divide they support. There's the odd tokenistic acknowledgment of a police force putting on a barbecue in a black neighborhood and such like but nobody's interested because doesn't feed into their inherent biases.
I believe that a lot of the rhetoric and tactics that have been used by BLM have been largely counter productive and have fanned the flames of racial tension more than anything else, personally. But there are certainly valid concerns that need to be looked at which the group is motivated by.
I also hold that there were many of us who plainly predicted that this sort of thing (the escalating tensions between the races and between police and black people, the shootings of police officers in retribution, etc) would be the result of the ongoing media campaign of black people vs the police. The term "race war" which is all too tempting for some to use is perhaps over the top, but basically the jist of it is that shit is popping off and you should expect nothing less given the circumstances that we are in and the proposed solutions to said circumstances by all parties involved.
One thing I will say is that we are often told that bringing up black on black crime in relation to BLM is "racist", and that the fact that black people are murdered in such high numbers by criminals doesn't negate the concern for those black people who are victims of police brutality or excessive force. I agree with the latter claim - it doesn't negate that concern. But if we are truly concerned about black lives, it is very hard to ignore the disparity in the emphasis on police brutality vs the systemic destruction of the black community in inner city ghettos. The latter is much harder to tackle, yes. But it's also in need of much more attention.
I am on board with many of the measures proposed to reign in police excesses and brutality - body cams, etc. But I don't expect to see any significant drop in the number of black people shot by the police until the neighborhoods in which these black people live see a concurrent decrease in the number of homicides. My prediction is that for the most part, the relatively low "cost of life" in these communities will continue to be reflected in the police stats for the foreseeable future, and in the meantime any political will that can be extracted from the ongoing suffering and death will be divvied up by the various political entities that will always continue to compete for power and influence.
Originally posted by MS Warehouse
Lestov is an apologist. He's predictably silent anytime an offer gets shot.
I won't deny that the situation in Milwaukee is horrible, but just burning shit down for no valid reason isn't going to help. It is going to make people think "gee this is probably why this place is horrible". The reason they don't seem to understand this has nothing to do with their race(since no race is naturally good or bad), but rather the high rate of violence within the black culture of this country.
What I want to know is how come the sister wasn't arrested for trying to incite violence? She told them to go burn down the suburbs instead of the ghetto. At least 6 businesses gone, peoples potential livelihoods put on the line and they blame it on racism even though the cop was black. So are they just saying the white people brainwashed him to hate his own race? Or does this mean the guy actually knows the reality of the situation when it comes to black culture because he himself is black? Nobody seems to want to ask these questions. Or at the very least the right people don't seem to want to ask. I could ask these things all day, but I'll be called racist because I'm white.
Christ almighty..the dead guys sister, after shouting people should go burn the suburbs, literally yells: We need our weaves!! I don't wear them, but we need them!!
I don't even..what? Is there actually a dead criminal in Milwaukee? This seems like some kind of weird prank show. Is Ashton Kutcher going to pop out and tell us we've been Punk'd? Surely no sane legit human being would go in front of the world shouting about how they need weaves..after their own flesh and blood has been killed she is screaming about weaves.
Unfortunate:
Maybe he was shot because he's actually an armed robbery suspect and former gang member and the media just isn't telling us lol
Originally posted by Lestov16
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/king-black-man-shot-cops-calling-report-robbery-article-1.2762748Maybe he was shot because he's actually an armed robbery suspect and former gang member and the media just isn't telling us lol
Dude we know he's not a former gang member because nobody from the community has come out to talk about how important he is to the community lol. So he probably is just a decent guy. If he was a gang banging criminal there would be an outpouring of support from the community and probably at least 3 buildings on fire.
Lol..is this really a game you want to play?
Lestov so I'm reading this story and it's about these two black people who the woman got in a car accident and she said it was a cop who hit her and fled and the scene and then of course her boyfriend showed up to confirm this and talk about suing the cop. Oh and then family members of them also showed up to talk about suing and to berate the cops.
Quick take a guess! What do you think the dash cams on the cop car revealed?
Originally posted by Surtur
Lestov so I'm reading this story and it's about these two black people who the woman got in a car accident and she said it was a cop who hit her and fled and the scene and then of course her boyfriend showed up to confirm this and talk about suing the cop. Oh and then family members of them also showed up to talk about suing and to berate the cops.Quick take a guess! What do you think the dash cams on the cop car revealed?
That there are stupid black people, just like stupid white people. But maybe you're going to tell me that never in the history of justice have white people lied to the law to protect their loved ones. white people are always honorable and only black people act ignorant and lie to police over petty shit.