Black Lives Matter thread

I mean instead of getting riot gear why not just..not show up thinking you have the right to shut down these conventions?

If they show up at a convention and security tells them to leave, will they leave? If they refuse to leave they will have to be physically removed, will they resist?

Maybe go to a rally of someone you actually support and if other people want to go to Trump rallies then let them go.

I don't recall any very large groups of people getting attacked en masse. When I've seen people attacked at Trump rallies it was like 1-2 people. It takes a hell of a lot more then a few people to shut down one of these events. So it almost sounds like they are going to descend on these things en masse wearing riot gear and ninja masks. Which really doesn't sound like something that will end well for anyone.

Surely you can agree if these people show up essentially ready for battle..does that send a "we are totally peaceful" message to you?

This is a convention, not a friggin rumble between the soc's and the greasers. If some shit happens then there will not be any innocent parties involved, not if a large group of people show up wearing riot gear and masks. Which a ninja mask made out of a t-shirt isn't going to provide any protection. The only thing it protects is the identity of the person. Why, if they aren't going to be doing anything wrong..do they need masks?

It's just weird to me any group could be so utterly naive to think they could show up somewhere in riot gear and have things go peacefully. Nobody wins, everybody loses, and people on both sides could potentially get hurt.

Also frankly I don't care what race you are, if you show up in riot gear and masks and then you try to physically prevent me from going somewhere or leaving from somewhere or anything like that?? I will do whatever I need to do to get past. You have not earned the right to a peaceful response if you do that.

Basically if you aren't a cop or someone legitimately working security then you do not have the right to try to stop me. If a person will not move on their own accord I feel I'm within my rights to attempt to physically move them myself. If they then tried to attack me for that then all bets are truly off at that point.

Why is this outlook unreasonable?

Originally posted by Surtur
The only religious customs I've seen him make disparaging remarks about are the legitimately crazy ones. I am not talking about the harmless kind of crazy.

It seems like some people can't separate racism from disliking religion.

That's not entirely true though is it.

Among his quotes are such gems as "Islam is the only religion that acts like the ****ing mafia and will kill you if you say the wrong thing" and "the Muslim world has too much in common with ISIS"

Seems quite clear he's equating the whole of Islam as terrorists which shows that he doesn't even have the most basic understanding of it which puts him on a par with most of the people in this thread that state things like "Islam isn't a race/religion, it's an ideology".

Islam has many branches and sects and ethnicities. The Kurds are doing more to fight ISIS than any other group in the world. More Muslims are killed by ISIS for being the "wrong" branch of Islam than any non Muslims. The yazidi community in Britain raises huge amounts of money every year during the poppy appeal for the British legion

People also seem to be making ridiculous generalisations about the refugees the whole Syria/Iraq situation is creating. What do people think the population of Syria was doing before the war? Do some people think the entire population was going around murdering each other and committing terrorist attacks? Was there no shopkeepers and farmers and Teachers and doctors etc?
The problem isn't even with Sunni Islam. The problem is Wahhabism which accounts for less than 0.5% of Muslims world wide. And the main country that adheres and promotes it? Saudi Arabia. A country that most western nations have happily done business with for decades so long as they've kept the oil flowing.

If fact they've been the main antagonist is the whole Iraq/Syria problem. And why? Because shortly before it all kicked off Iran, Iraq and Syria (all Shia led countries) agreed to oil and gas pipelines to go through Turkey and Lebanon and into Europe. Fearing they'd lose their massive oil wealth the Saudis started arming and funding groups to destabilise the region so that pipeline would never get built.

Originally posted by jaden101
"Islam is the only religion that acts like the ****ing mafia and will kill you if you say the wrong thing"

Are you saying this is a false statement? Is it possible to be killed in this religion if you say the wrong thing? Is Bill lying or mistaken about this?

and "the Muslim world has too much in common with ISIS"

Do you disagree with this or just find it racist?

Seems quite clear he's equating the whole of Islam as terrorists which shows that he doesn't even have the most basic understanding of it which puts him on a par with most of the people in this thread that state things like "Islam isn't a race/religion, it's an ideology".

From the things you posted it doesn't sound to me like he is saying every single person in Islam is a terrorist.

I've even seen him have guests on and discuss things about..well, "good" muslims if you want to label them. The ones who don't do the barbaric stuff. He had a talk with this one lady about how some muslims face danger from other muslims due to not embracing the more extreme aspects of their beliefs.

Now I suppose I could see how, if someone just read those few quotes, you could conclude this about him. But if you actually watch his show I think you'd realize he's not racist.

Here:

http://newrulesbillmaher.blogspot.com/

You can watch a lot of recent episodes on this website.

Jaden, where in the middle east have you been? I've been to three middle eastern countries for a significant amount of time.
where are you getting your information jaden?

Originally posted by Surtur
Are you saying this is a false statement? Is it possible to be killed in this religion if you say the wrong thing? Is Bill lying or mistaken about this?

Do you disagree with this or just find it racist?

From the things you posted it doesn't sound to me like he is saying every single person in Islam is a terrorist.

I've even seen him have guests on and discuss things about..well, "good" muslims if you want to call them that. The ones who don't do the barbaric stuff. He had a talk with this one lady about how some muslims face danger from other muslims due to not embracing the more extreme aspects of their beliefs.

Now I suppose I could see how, if someone just read those few quotes, you could conclude this about him. But if you actually watch his show I think you'd realize he's not racist.

He's making idiotic generalisations is my point. I can go to any mosque in my home city and criticise Islam and not have any fear of being murdered. I can criticise Islam to the hugely overwhelming majority of Muslims in the world and be safe in the knowledge that the worst I'll get is shouted at.

As for his second quote. The only thing the vast majority of the Muslim world has in common with ISIS is that they call themselves Muslims. It's as false a statement as me saying "most Christians have too much in common with Uganda or the westboro Baptist Church"

Perhaps he should make more nuanced statements then maybe people won't make such a fuss about his comments.

Originally posted by Raisen
Jaden, where in the middle east have you been? I've been to three middle eastern countries for a significant amount of time.
where are you getting your information jaden?

I've been to Dubai, Turkey and Kuwait in the middle east. I've also been to the most populace Muslim country in the world, Indonesia and the country with the 3rd most muslims, India and I've also been to Egypt, Tunisia and Morocco. Hoping to get to the Maldives in the next few years as well.

ok. i was in each of those countries for at least six months. tell me how long you were in your countries because you are very young sir

Originally posted by jaden101
He's making idiotic generalisations is my point. I can go to any mosque in my home city and criticise Islam and not have any fear of being murdered. I can criticise Islam to the hugely overwhelming majority of Muslims in the world and be safe in the knowledge that the worst I'll get is shouted at.
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Would you do that in Egypt or Turkey some of the more moderate countires let alone places like Syria?

Originally posted by jaden101
He's making idiotic generalisations is my point. I can go to any mosque in my home city and criticise Islam and not have any fear of being murdered. I can criticise Islam to the hugely overwhelming majority of Muslims in the world and be safe in the knowledge that the worst I'll get is shouted at.

As for his second quote. The only thing the vast majority of the Muslim world has in common with ISIS is that they call themselves Muslims. It's as false a statement as me saying "most Christians have too much in common with Uganda or the westboro Baptist Church"

Perhaps he should make more nuanced statements then maybe people won't make such a fuss about his comments.

You see you didn't actually answer my question. Is it or is it not possible to be killed for saying the wrong thing in Islam? Since you actually didn't just flat out say "no it never happens" I can assume there is some truth to it, yes? I did not ask if it's an automatic death no matter where you go. I'm asking you if there is anywhere in the world where what Bill Maher said actually happens.

He never actually said any muslim will murder you if you say something. He did imply that it is possible to be killed for saying the wrong thing. Which is why I'm asking if there is any truth to such a statement.

You're cherry picking. Of course some extremist sects of Islam are murderous, but that's the not the point jaden is making. The point jaden is making is that Trump is implying that it is the majority if not all Islamic sects are murderous, when really it is a small percentage.

We were talking about Bill Maher, who never actually said "all muslims are this or that". He said in Islam you can be killed for saying the wrong thing.

Originally posted by Lestov16
You're cherry picking. Of course some extremist sects of Islam are murderous, but that's the not the point jaden is making. The point jaden is making is that Trump is implying that it is the majority if not all Islamic sects are murderous, when really it is a small percentage.

Interesting, so the amount of deaths surrounding blacks and police officers is a small amount as well considering all the police in this country.

So what you have been implying is the majority if not all police are murderous, when really it is a small percentage.

Originally posted by Surtur
You see you didn't actually answer my question. Is it or is it not possible to be killed for saying the wrong thing in Islam? Since you actually didn't just flat out say "no it never happens" I can assume there is some truth to it, yes? I did not ask if it's an automatic death no matter where you go. I'm asking you if there is anywhere in the world where what Bill Maher said actually happens.

He never actually said any muslim will murder you if you say something. He did imply that it is possible to be killed for saying the wrong thing. Which is why I'm asking if there is any truth to such a statement.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
But that's a pointless litmus test. It's also possible to be killed for questioning Christianity and even Buddhism depending on where you go.

Originally posted by Surtur
We were talking about Bill Maher, who never actually said "all muslims are this or that". He said in Islam you can be killed for saying the wrong thing.

Actually he said in the Muslim world. Which implies it will happen anywhere in any Islamic country no matter who you say it to. Which is patently false.

The fact is you can get killed anywhere for saying the wrong thing to the wrong person. You've probably as much a chance of getting killed by a cop in parts of the US by "saying the wrong thing" than you do in most parts of "the Muslim world"(which is as ridiculous a term as "the Christian world" given the massive differences between Muslim countries.)

I guess for me I took it like he was just pointing out things that could potentially happen in the Muslim world, not things that necessarily always happen.

Originally posted by Raisen
ok. i was in each of those countries for at least six months. tell me how long you were in your countries because you are very young sir

I'm very young am I? Thanks.

I was in each of them between 2 weeks and 2 months depending on the country.

This guy says black people are the problem, not white people.

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He goes on to say blacks are responsible for 95% of their own problems.

BLM spewing racism and biggotry.

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