DC: Rebirth

BTW, here are the sales figures I got from CBR.

015 update:

DC Sales - Top 300 for 2015

2015 - 24,387,995 estimated units
2014 - 26,836,455 estimated units
2013 - 28,184,085 estimated units
2012 - 29,602,125 estimated units
2011 - 26,522,201 estimated units
2010 - 23,528,000 estimated units
2009 - 24,126,336 estimated units
2008 - 25,760,378 estimated units
2007 - 29,597,217 estimated units
2006 - 30,243,575 estimated units
2005 - 26,995,698 estimated units
2004 - 23,895,322 estimated units
2003 - 22,344,120 estimated units
2002 - 20,687,488 estimated units - Dan Didio joins DC as VP of Editorial.
2001 - 21,220,332 estimated units
2000 - 23,243,656 estimated units
1999 - 25,141,760 estimated units
1998 - 22,869,060 estimated units
1997 - 26,323,968 estimated units

Good info. And to add to that, not only have sales been dropping, but everyone else- Marvel, Image, and the indie section in general- have been expanding.

So sales-wise, they're near pre reboot level, around when Brightest Day was their big thing, but proportionally, they're further behind than they were then.

And '06-07 were really good years, weren't they? Infinite Crisis, 52.... 52 alone has got to make up a big chunk of that. Then you get the huge falloff in '08 as Countdown, and similar take center stage and the decline that lead to the reboot.

I am pretty curious what changed at that point, it felt like two different creative directions.

Originally posted by Zack M
Most of DC's smaller, obscure characters have never sold all that well in the past. I don't expect Terry to be any different.

Well, exactly. If you're doing a big relaunch where a limited amount of titles is a thing, any smaller character seems odd to me, unless they're grouped together or given some other hook to boost sales.

Yeah, thanks to constant relaunching and Star Wars, not to mention Secret Wars. Without that, Marvel is only doing slightly better. Sales has been dropping for Marvel titles, though as with the Bleedingcool article that was posted earlier this month.

Originally posted by Zack M
Yeah, thanks to constant relaunching and Star Wars, not to mention Secret Wars. Without that, Marvel is only doing slightly better. Sales has been dropping for Marvel titles, though as with the Bleedingcool article that was posted earlier this month.

But they do have that super-selling line, that high selling event, and they've shown the 'seasonal relaunch' method works pretty well long-term or at least medium term, I think it's been their model for something like 6 years now. So I think 'without that,' is being a bit ungenerous.

I mean, DC changed directions massively with a lot of their books mid-run when the creative team changed, doing re-launches then frankly would've made sense.

But their sales did dip in 2014, which is probably why they did the whole relaunching last year. Supposedly it pissed a bunch of people off and the reason why the sales go right back down to what they once were. The same thing will probably happen a few months after Rebirth.

Originally posted by Zack M
But their sales did dip in 2014, which is probably why they did the whole relaunching last year. Supposedly it pissed a bunch of people off and the reason why the sales go right back down to what they once were. The same thing will probably happen a few months after Rebirth.

Marvel's got a history of rolling status quo- and doing Secret Wars instead of another one of those was probably a bit of a mistake. Still, going back to where they were is not nearly as big a problem as DC going back to their lower sales.

Originally posted by Q99
Marvel's got a history of rolling status quo- and doing Secret Wars instead of another one of those was probably a bit of a mistake. Still, going back to where they were is not nearly as big a problem as DC going back to their lower sales.

I think that's why they lose readers. Most people that i speak with are tired of the constant events. And now it's going to be CW part 2. I'm glad I didn't read most of SW. It was, for the most part, garbage.

Originally posted by Zack M
I think that's why they lose readers. Most people that i speak with are tired of the constant events. And now it's going to be CW part 2. I'm glad I didn't read most of SW. It was, for the most part, garbage.

The thing is, while readers do suffer some event fatigue... the event era in general has been quite successful. I don't think so much for the events themselves, but the 'have a new status quo that lasts a year to two years, then change it,' is a good way to both retain continuity and keep things fresh.

And Marvel's usually pretty good at having some comics out of any particular event.

What do you guys think about The Killing Joke "retcon".

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
What do you guys think about The Killing Joke "retcon".

What happened?

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
What do you guys think about The Killing Joke "retcon".

Originally posted by -Pr-
What happened?

😂

What a worthless thing to write

Originally posted by Philosophía
As with everything that goes on in comics, rabid feminists' pressure eventually got to even the best of stories.

They retconned it as false memories implaneted by a villain, afaik. I haven't read the comic.

...A part of me really wants to rant about such an anti-woman, sexist decision, but surely it isn't as bad as I think it is.

Tell me it isn't?

Originally posted by -Pr-
...A part of me really wants to rant about such an anti-woman, sexist decision, but surely it isn't as bad as I think it is.

Tell me it isn't?

This is the Batgirl artist's twitter:
https://twitter.com/babsdraws

Her name is Babs Tarr.
As you guessed, she's a woman.

This is the first thing she posted after the comic was released:

People really don't realise the magnitude of what is happening right now.

The SJWs are literally taking control of what should and should not count and be written/drawn.

Originally posted by Philosophía
It is as bad as you think.

This is the Batgirl artist's twitter:
https://twitter.com/babsdraws

Her name is Babs Tarr.
As you guessed, she's a woman.

This is the first thing she posted after the comic was released:

People really don't realise the magnitude of what is happening right now.

The SJWs are literally taking control of what should and should not count and be written/drawn.

So how was Barbara paralysed then?

The writer kind of left it a little open ended according to his Twitter. But I haven't read the comic either. So it may not be entirely retconned, I guess.

But, just the idea of retconning a legendary comic like that just because SJWs don't like it is absolutely infuriating.

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
The writer kind of left it a little open ended according to his Twitter. But I haven't read the comic either. So it may not be entirely retconned, I guess.

But, just the idea of retconning a legendary comic like that just because SJWs don't like it is absolutely infuriating.

It's ****ing stupid as well.

She has one of the best "overcoming adversity" arcs of any female character in comics. Not to mention how far DC pushed the envelope with the original story (which had stuff cut from it because the original intent was far more graphic).

It's a seminal book in both Batman and comics, and to have them remove it like this... FFS.

I at least hope this doesn't hurt the development of the movie.

Whole scene:
http://i.imgur.com/HPbDEJX.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/jvqSvo1.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/dTVFvV5.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/DJu25Er.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/LsqztxS.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/LcFakl3.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Ek88b63.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/7YRpTXt.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/1eMfgzn.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/YVa67vJ.jpg

Wait... It got only a couple of panels?

The Killing Joke itself? Yep.

At least it got a few panels, though. They retconned COIE off-panel, ffs.