Originally posted by Supermex
Nice breakdownI would think Black Bolt would be more up top on the list due to his versatility
Thank you, I may have been unfair to these two. But blackbolt can scream and punch and supposed matter manipulation right? I cant remember him ever doing it though.
Supes I guess could clear it if it was set in his universe where he can do things like punch his own death and be immune to source etc...
Superman actually loses a lot of awesomeness outside his universe.
Originally posted by ShadowFyreSuperman is literally powered by his universe. Yellows suns don't work that way in Marvel. The first time Thing punches him ends up with Thing in jail for manslaughter.
Thank you, I may have been unfair to these two. But blackbolt can scream and punch and supposed matter manipulation right? I cant remember him ever doing it though.Supes I guess could clear it if it was set in his universe where he can do things like punch his own death and be immune to source etc...
Superman actually loses a lot of awesomeness outside his universe.
Originally posted by ShadowFyre
Thor, Nova, and Hal have the best chance. But none of them have a 100% chance of clearing this due to plot and powerset. So Ill just go who has best to worst chance.Thor 80% ( mjolnir can do everything Surfer can, but Thor lacks the mental tp powers that Surfer has used)
Hal 70% (ring is versatile enough but lacking, and he is just lacking a lot of the power that surfer can bring.
Nova (60-65%, just not powerful enough).
Manhunter 50% ( Manhunter should be at top of list, but being afraid of fire and his general jobbiness makes him do poorly here, one of my fav dc character to. Sad)
Blackbolt 0% ( just doesent have the powerset to do this.)
Superman 0% ( he has 3 attacks, hv, punch, and punch faster, he might be the strongest one here but he will be facing people that automatically know his weakness and can create it out of thin air, no mental powers or versatility to speak of, he simply cant do some of the things required.
So none of them should be able to fully do it due to powerset. Thor, Hal and Nova are the only ones here that could even be considered as versatile as Surfer. Supes is strong but he cant punch his way out of everything.
Let's just compare the opponents Superman goes against compared to who Surfer goes against.
I can guarantee you that Superman's rogues will be more powerful.
Originally posted by Stoic
I haven't read the book in a very long time, but he was still cut to pieces. That happened if I not correct, and he survived the encounter. Does the location change the situation? Sorry I don't get it, plus like I said it's been a very long time since I read the book.
He was just fine.
Originally posted by ShadowFyre
Thank you, I may have been unfair to these two. But blackbolt can scream and punch and supposed matter manipulation right? I cant remember him ever doing it though.Supes I guess could clear it if it was set in his universe where he can do things like punch his own death and be immune to source etc...
Superman actually loses a lot of awesomeness outside his universe.
Oh wait!
( Black Bolts ) Powers and Abilities
Cosmic Awareness
Black Bolt later manifested Cosmic Awareness. This ability allows him an omnipresence consciousness to know exactly what he feels he needs to know at any given moment. This could range from what his current location is to discovering an opponents weakness, to cosmic threats in the universe. This first appeared in FF #18 - What Do You Call the Opposite of a Field Trip?
Ambient Particle & Electron Harnessing
Black Bolt's primary superhuman ability is the power to harness free floating electrons. The speech center of his brain contains a unique organic mechanism that's able to generate an unknown particle that interacts with the electrons he absorbs to create certain phenomena that are determined by his mental control.
Quasi-Sonic Scream
Sonic Scream
Black Bolt's most devastating offensive weapon, and one of these phenomena based upon the particle interaction, is his actual voice. A whisper can level a city, cause distant dormant volcanoes to become active once more, and generate tremors on the far side of the planet. A hyper-sonic shout has been said to generate enough force to destroy planets. Due to the constant and extreme danger posed by his voice, he has undergone rigorous mental training to prevent himself from uttering even the smallest sound, even while asleep.
Recently it has been shown that Black Bolt's scream is tied into his emotions, especially anger. This in turn would mean that the power of his scream would depend on his emotional state in at least some way. It would explain the fluctuation of the power released by his quasi-sonic scream. While at ease, a spoken word from Black Bolt has destroyed mountain ranges in the past, but while under more strenuous circumstances, it was stated that a single word would be capable of annihilating half a planet.
Particle & Electron Channeling
Black Bolt wears a metallic, fork-shaped antenna upon his brow that allows him to focus and channel his powers in more directed and less destructive ways. This antenna monitor's the speech center of his brain and allows him to direct quantities of the unknown particles to create controlled phenomena, such as enhancing his physical strength beyond his normal limits. He can also channel all the available energy he has into one arm for a single, massively powerful punch called the "Master Blow". The exertion from this, however, taxes his ability to employ the energy to its limit and leaves him somewhat vulnerable for a time.
Particle & Electron Manipulation
Black Bolt can also direct the unknown particle outwards without the use of his vocal chords. He can route the particles through his arms and create small yet very powerful blasts of concussive force. He can also form a field of highly active electrons around his body with a wave of his hand. This field can deflect projectiles up to the mass of a large meteor. Black Bolt can also create enough iteration between the electron and particle energies to generate fields solid enough for him to travel over.
Matter & Energy Manipulation
Through an unknown method, Black Bolt has shown numerous times that he has the ability to manipulate matter and energy to an unknown degree. He has shown the ability to transmute the elements, such as water into ice by re-arranging the molecular structure. He has destroyed a Solar Flare powerful enough to annihilate the Earth.
One hell of a power-set..
Originally posted by abhilegend
Contrary of what you think, Superman does punch his way out of everything.Let's just compare the opponents Superman goes against compared to who Surfer goes against.
I can guarantee you that Superman's rogues will be more powerful.Surfer was not cut into pieces. A tesseract separated Superman into pieces as well in JLA 80.
He was just fine.
I never said anything about power. I do believe I made a comment about Superman being the strongest, but his particular powerset and tactics would not work for some of these fights and the amps surfer got for them Supes couldnt do shit. If this had been Eradicator, Cyborg Supes, I would have probably put them up there with Mjolnir.
I originally thought MM cleared it potentially. But this is dcnu and he kinda sucks. So I dont think anyone here clears it. And I dont think anyone here can do the things Supes has done in his necessarilly. ( Thor would bang Lois tho).
Originally posted by ShadowFyreSuperman does have a more limited powerset, but he makes excellent use of it. Historically he has been much more creative with his powers than Surfer or Thor, imho. Those guys are so versatile they're very often gimped by PIS/CIS to keep a story going.
Superman 0% ( he has 3 attacks, hv, punch, and punch faster, he might be the strongest one here but he will be facing people that automatically know his weakness and can create it out of thin air, no mental powers or versatility to speak of, he simply cant do some of the things required.
Originally posted by ShadowFyreI believe he once said that if he hits anything long enough, it eventually breaks apart. 😊
Supes is strong but he cant punch his way out of everything.
As for getting through Surfer's history: I think Superman bests whatever needs being beaten up or destroyed. But I could see healing/creation-type stuff (eg, evolving a planet's biosphere) giving him pause.
Originally posted by ShadowFyre
I never said anything about power. I do believe I made a comment about Superman being the strongest, but his particular powerset and tactics would not work for some of these fights and the amps surfer got for them Supes couldnt do shit. If this had been Eradicator, Cyborg Supes, I would have probably put them up there with Mjolnir.I originally thought MM cleared it potentially. But this is dcnu and he kinda sucks. So I dont think anyone here clears it. And I dont think anyone here can do the things Supes has done in his necessarilly. ( Thor would bang Lois tho).
Like I said Superman faces and beats foes Surfer can only dream about facing. Let alone beating.
Originally posted by abhilegend
His powerset doesn't gives him much problem in the comics if you haven't noticed.Like I said Superman faces and beats foes Surfer can only dream about facing. Let alone beating.
Foes that the Surfer could not only dream of beating, but not even dream of facing.