Batman vs Captain America with a twist
Bruce as you should all know trained his physical body to perfection over a period of years from a young boy on up along with special dieting, however what if he too was given the super soilder serum to go along with all that training and many different forms of fighting arts. Would he have an edge then over a scrawny runt who received his physicality through the serum only with some training? They meet on a roof top with all bet's off, who wins?
Re: Batman vs Captain America with a twist
Originally posted by lawest9
Bruce as you should all know trained his physical body to perfection over a period of years from a young boy on up along with special dieting, however what if he too was given the super soilder serum to go along with all that training and many different forms of fighting arts. Would he have an edge then over a scrawny runt who received his physicality through the serum only with some training? They meet on a roof top with all bet's off, who wins?
They'd still be about equal physically. Why? Because the SSS takes someone to peak human (obviously in comics 'peak human' is far more than peak human, but that's another discussion). Both of them would be peak human. The only difference is that the SSS had to do a LOT (exponentially) more work taking Steve from scrawny to super, and for Bruce Wayne the distance to travel would be a LOT (significantly) less as he's already, more or less, 'peak human.'
In many ways, the only advantage would be that he'd be able to go on for longer without getting tired (and even that is not that much considering in the events leading to Knight Fall he was fighting nonstop for days on end before the fatigue started catching up to him in a way that enabled Bane, who's not a nobody, to get the better of him). Or how, in another arc I cannot recall right now, he was so stretched he even had a 'sub-personality' to take over when his main psyche was under attack, or when he used thogal to fake his own death.
In a nutshell, the SSS would simply make Bruce and Steve at the same exact level, since it makes those who take it (and survive, or even find it as it's apparently hard to replicate) peak humans.
It's just that in Steve's case the SSS took a junk (lemon) Honda Civic and turned it into the (fastest) Bugatti Veyron (ever made), while in Bruce's case the SSS took a brand new (fastest) Lamborghini Aventador (ever made) and turned it into the (fastest) Bugatti Veyron (ever made).
It's the improvement made that would be the main difference. Steve was taken through a much longer improvement curve, while Bruce would definitely undergo a much smaller improvement.
Originally posted by SurturAnd this is the appreciation that I have for Bruce when people insist that Cap is superior it batman. Like Stark told Steve in the first avengers movie..............everything special about you came out a bottle....that was a funjy scene to me with all of them arguing with one another.
Yep, since Batman without the serum is vastly more powerful physically then Cap was without the serum.
Originally posted by RadZoa
It depends on weather or not the serum would multiply someone's base stats or if it would elevate someone to a certain set base stats like Caps.
I've always assumed that the SSS took someone's stats to the peak of human potential.* Thus, in my opinion, it wouldn't boost Bruce as much as it boosted Steve since Bruce's physical abilities are basically already peak human. The SSS would only enhance things like absolute top fatigue resistance and such, but featwise, changes wouldn't be immediately (or easily) observable.
If the SSS is, as I literally take it, simply something that makes someone peak human, then the stats of Cap and SSS-enhanced Bruce would be equal.
In the same way giving the SSS to someone like Spiderman or Superman wouldn't do squat to them, since they're already vastly beyond 'peak human*' (even comics 'peak human'😉.
*Again, peak human in comics is a joke.
Originally posted by lawest9Cap wins.
Bruce as you should all know trained his physical body to perfection over a period of years from a young boy on up along with special dieting, however what if he too was given the super soilder serum to go along with all that training and many different forms of fighting arts. Would he have an edge then over a scrawny runt who received his physicality through the serum only with some training? They meet on a roof top with all bet's off, who wins?
Originally posted by lawest9
And this is the appreciation that I have for Bruce when people insist that Cap is superior it batman. Like Stark told Steve in the first avengers movie..............everything special about you came out a bottle....that was a funjy scene to me with all of them arguing with one another.
You get that the serum didnt automatically make him the greatest soldier in history right? That he actually had to do some training and studying to be the best soldier....EVER?
Originally posted by JayDaDonI got many years ago that he had to do some training. But Bruce still dod his worhout any SSS.
You get that the serum didnt automatically make him the greatest soldier in history right? That he actually had to do some training and studying to be the best soldier....EVER?
Yeah and never forget that money is the lifeblood of Bruce's achievements. Steve was a sickly poverty stricken kid in depression era brooklyn who probably wouldn't have made it out of his 20's without the serum. If steve had a billion dollars to invest in himself maybe things would be different, but their circumstances starting out were nothing close to the same.
Originally posted by JayDaDonThat's true as well.
Yeah and never forget that money is the lifeblood of Bruce's achievements. Steve was a sickly poverty stricken kid in depression era brooklyn who probably wouldn't have made it out of his 20's without the serum. If steve had a billion dollars to invest in himself maybe things would be different, but their circumstances starting out were nothing close to the same.