What if all the people in all the eras are actually equal?

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S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

Originally posted by Col. Valerian
Revan was a retard thinking they could redeem the Emperor. It's like attempting to redeem Sidious, or worse.

Revan wanted to assassinate the Emperor. His plan was to orchestrate chaos and anarchy within the reconstituted ancient Sith Empire. Revan would then proceed to invade it with his armies and finish it off.

Problem was that the Emperor was way too powerful and well-informed, a fact that Revan learned the hard way.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Which he only did because they arrogantly walked into a trap like complete morons.

"Unsurpassed genius" my ass.


Malak actually cautioned Revan from attempting to assassinate the Emperor.

Revan, on the other hand, was confident in his abilities. If you are the most powerful Jedi in the galaxy and a brilliant tactician, you will not be afraid.

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In a way, we can neither fault Malak and nor Revan for attempting to assassinate the Emperor.

Beniboybling Worst Member

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Revan and Malak attacked the Republic because Vitiate made them, and they only went after the Star Forge because Vitiate made them. If it wasn't those two, it would have been two others.
Huh? Like who? Vitiate was just being opportunistic and exploiting Revan and Malak's fall to the dark side, which they were entirely themselves responsible for.

It wasn't part of some master plan, Vitiate only knew about the Star Forge because Revan and Malak discovered it for him.

FreshestSlice Eternal Commander

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Huh? Like who? Vitiate was just being opportunistic and exploiting Revan and Malak's fall to the dark side, which they were entirely themselves responsible for.

Whoever else was in charge of the giant army of Jedi, maybe? Obviously events were set up to where Revan and Malak were ideal, but it's not like Revan planned to sack the Republic. That particular plotline was removed.

It wasn't part of some master plan, Vitiate only knew about the Star Forge because Revan and Malak discovered it for him.

I might be misremembering things, but considering they'd only need it because Vitiate wants them to attack the galaxy, it really doesn't matter. The only reason Revan and Malak went into the Unknown Regions was to find out what's there, and kill the Sith if it was them.

Beniboybling Worst Member

Nah. If it had been anyone else they would have never turned to the dark side, gone to Malachor, and discovered the Sith Empire's existence.

FreshestSlice Eternal Commander

They weren't turned to the Dark Side, just falling, before going to the Sith Empire, and everyone who went to Malachor was changed. I mean if you think literally no one would go, they'd just be steamrolled by the Sith Empire then given they'd do shit against the Mandalorians and have almost no military.

ares834 Senior Member

They certainly had fallen prior to Vitiate's influence. Just look at what he did at Malachor V.

FreshestSlice Eternal Commander

The novel disagrees.

ares834 Senior Member

Isn't it from a character statement?

Revan deliberately killed his own non-loyal men and created a tool to convert Jedi to his cause. He was 100% DS. Vitiate just made him a Sith and sent him back to conquer the Republic.

FreshestSlice Eternal Commander

Originally posted by ares834
Isn't it from a character statement?

Revan deliberately killed his own non-loyal men and created a tool to convert Jedi to his cause. He was 100% DS. Vitiate just made him a Sith and sent him back to conquer the Republic.


It's from quite a few characters actually, including Revan himself who has no reason to lie. Then there would be the Exile not noticing, although since she's a next-level fangirl that's not as odd as it sounds I guess. That being said, Revan didn't even come up with the Mass Shadow Generator, he just used it. Most of the "Revan did these things deliberately" plotlines make no appearance in the novel.

ares834 Senior Member

What is Revan's exact quote? It's been awhile since I've read the novel but I recall it being along the lines of Vitiate completing their fall which I always took to mean he made them Sith. Their other actions though are those of a dark sider and those actions are canonical whether they are in the novel or not.

Edit: And TBH, I pretty much straight up ignore most of the nonsense that shitty ass book spews anyway.

FreshestSlice Eternal Commander

"But though we had underestimated the Emperor’s power, he underestimated us, as well. Our wills were stronger than he thought; our minds twisted and perverted his instructions until we thought we were acting of our own accord. Malak and I were turned to the dark side, but in doing so we found the strength to block out all memory of the Sith and the Emperor, partially freeing us from his control.”
Revan says they basically went there to stop the Sith, and nothing more. Which is dumb, yeah, but it is what it is. You know Revan can do no wrong, Ares. You know this.

AncientPower The Chosen One

Multiple statements contradict that, including Chronicles of the Old Republic, and Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide.

FreshestSlice Eternal Commander

Oh well. Revan is newer and is what ties into TOR, where it's again stated.