What has Sidious actually done in canon? Hell, aside from Force Storm what has he done in Legends?
No, the quote is clearly talking about Vader, not his bloodline. Neph, and you apparently, just can't read. It says, The bloodline of THE MOST POWERFUL Jedi and Sith courses through his veins. The most powerful is being attributed to the Jedi and Sith, not his bloodline.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
What has Sidious actually done in canon? Hell, aside from Force Storm what has he done in Legends?
Oh, come on. Aside from killing a couple of the Order's 'most celebrated swordsmen' in a couple of seconds and going toe-to-toe with Yoda?
No, the quote is clearly talking about Vader, not his bloodline. Neph, and you apparently, just can't read. It says, The bloodline of THE MOST POWERFUL Jedi and Sith courses through his veins. The most powerful is being attributed to the Jedi and Sith, not his bloodline.
If that's what it means, then the quote doesn't make sense, considering Vader is Sidious's apprentice and never managed to overpower and replace him, considering Vader himself thought Sidious was more powerful than him, and considering, again, Sidious's feats, accolades and overall showings simply outclass Vader's.
Originally posted by Col. Valerian
Oh, come on. Aside from killing a couple of the Order's 'most celebrated swordsmen' in a couple of seconds and going toe-to-toe with Yoda?
If that's what it means, then the quote doesn't make sense, considering Vader is Sidious's apprentice
and never managed to overpower and replace him,
considering Vader himself thought Sidious was more powerful than him,
and considering, again, Sidious's feats, accolades and overall showings simply outclass Vader's.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Which Vader can't do because..? They were blitzed, which means Palpatine took them out of the fight because he didn't want to fight them. It doesn't mean he can go toe-to-toe with all of them at once and Mace.
Seriously? Blitzing Jedi Masters who are stated to be some of the 'most celebrated swordsmen' in the Order and who were actually prepared, sabers ignited and all, to face the one who Anakin informs them to be an extremely powerful Sith Lords isn't that impressive to you? It does mean that. It also means he can easily kill powerful Jedi Masters who are prepared to fight him. Also, toe-to-toe with Yoda. And defeats him in the end.
Yeah, that logic doesn't make any sense.
Yeah, considering the apprentice is usually weaker than the master... And considering Vader was Sidious's apprentice for more than 20 years...
You kind of need an apprentice first, i.e. Luke.
No, you don't. Malak disposed of Revan without having an apprentice in line. Plagueis didn't have an apprentice in line, either. Malgus didn't have an apprentice in line when he killed Vindican. It's clearly not always the case.
Not only is that not proof, I don't remember that canon quote
Vader imagined the power that could be his if he crushed Palpatine and established his own rule over the Empire. But first, he would need his own apprentice. By himself, he could not hope to defeat the most powerful Sith Lord the galaxy had ever known.
- Vader: The Ultimate Guide.
It is clear that the reason Vader didn't even attempt to dethrone Sids is because he didn't think he was powerful enough to do so by himself.
No, no they really don't.
Yes, they really, really do.
Originally posted by Col. Valerian
Seriously? Blitzing Jedi Masters who are stated to be some of the 'most celebrated swordsmen' in the Order and who were actually prepared,
sabers ignited and all, to face the one who Anakin informs them to be an extremely powerful Sith Lords isn't that impressive to you? It does mean that.
It also means he can easily kill powerful Jedi Masters who are prepared to fight him. Also, toe-to-toe with Yoda. And defeats him in the end.
Yeah, considering the apprentice is usually weaker than the master... And considering Vader was Sidious's apprentice for more than 20 years...
No, you don't. Malak disposed of Revan without having an apprentice in line.
Plagueis didn't have an apprentice in line, either.
Malgus didn't have an apprentice in line when he killed Vindican. It's clearly not always the case.
Vader imagined the power that could be his if he crushed Palpatine and established his own rule over the Empire. But first, he would need his own apprentice. By himself, he could not hope to defeat the most powerful Sith Lord the galaxy had ever known.- Vader: The Ultimate Guide.
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It is clear that the reason Vader didn't even attempt to dethrone Sids is because he didn't think he was powerful enough to do so by himself.
Yes, they really, really do.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Prepared? Kek, and being called "teh b3st in teh Ord3r" is the most common accolade of all time. One Anakin had.
Accolade or not, the source that made that statement is canon. So, what Sidious did was defeat three of 'the most celebrated swordsmen in the history of the Order' in mere seconds. Canon Vader has not dueled against opponents in the caliber of Yoda and Windu and has not blitzed anyone as powerful as these Jedi Masters. And yes, prepared. Anakin told them Palps was the Sith Lord. Anakin warned them of his power. Their sabers were ignited. What is the definition of prepared to you?
Lel, that's exactly what it means. This may come as a surprise to you, but expending a shit ton of energy to move that fast is taxing, and if he felt confident in actually facing all at once, he would have.
Sids murdered two of them with so much ease it's ridiculous you're even arguing it's not an impressive showing. Then he proceeded to defeat Kit Fisto AKA 'I can defeat Grievous' in the next ten seconds while simultaneously dueling Windu.
Yeah, that's not exactly miles above Vader's pay grade. Yoda isn't even the equal of Mace *and* the B-Team, so it's not really an argument that's in favor of your earlier point.
Yoda is single-handedly the deadliest and most powerful Jedi of the PT era. Only he was powerful enough to go toe-to-toe against Sidious. He was more skilled than pretty much every other Jedi or Sith during that time, sans Sidious. How is he not even the equal of the B-Team and Mace? He's 'the most devastating foe the darkness had ever seen' (RotS novelization). Neither Anakin nor Vader have shown the necessary skills to contend with Yoda. And doing what Sidious did against Mace and the team is certainly above Vader's pay grade. When he does something of similar or comparable skill, please let me know.
Again, needs an apprentice of his own, and the apprentice isn't necessarily weaker than the master as that is how they somehow manage to, get this, kill the master. That's like how the Sith work in every way.
Okay, this is exactly how that quote 'stating Vader as the most powerful Sith Lord ever' doesn't make sense:
Vader was apprenticed to Sidious for more than 20 years. Are you telling me you seriously believe that, during all those years, even though he was indeed more powerful than his master, he just for some unknown reason never defied him or attempted to take his place? It makes absolutely no sense that Vader made no move whatsoever against Sidious, especially if he was more powerful than him, as you claim.
And get this, Vader never actually killed Palpatine in the sense that you're saying. He didn't kill him in a 'I'm more powerful than you now' way, he killed him in a 'I am being redeemed by my son' way. If it had been a one-on-one fight, Vader would've been annihilated against Palps. He never actually succeeded Palps because he never actually became more powerful. That's how the Sith work.
Malak is not a member of the Order of the Sith Lords.His master was kind of trying to kill him, so he it's not like he really had a choice in the matter.
Again, these are not Banite Sith, so they really aren't even considered here. Not to mention none of these sources are canon. Like at all.
Okay, still, you don't need to find an apprentice to be ready to kill your master. It's about power and skills. If you believe you're powerful and skilled enough to defeat your master, you do so. Apprentice or not. Or is it somewhere stated or hinted that in order to kill your master you need to acquire an apprentice first?
It sure is. In Legends. TFA is a canon source. They are different continuities completely.
RotJ is also a canon source. So is ANH. You know the most logical reason as to why Vader hadn't dethroned Sidious by then is because he simply wasn't as powerful as he needed to be to do so. There really is no other explanation, considering how the Sith Code works.
No, they really, really don't. Vader has better feats in his comic, Vader down, and LotS than anyone does in the mythos at the moment.
Palpatine has comparable feats in RotS alone. If you take into account all his accolades and all his Legends feats, he is head and shoulders above Vader in every single aspect. You hinted that Sids probably doesn't even have better feats in Legends that Vader. Then you go and agree with me that it is clear that the reason Vader didn't attempt to dethrone Vader is because he thought he wasn't powerful enough.
The only reason as to why Vader had 'better' (according to you) feats than Sidious in canon is because Sidious has barely been featured. Everything points to Sidious being superior outside of your little quote.