The Vishanti Vs Nabu

Originally posted by Galan007
iirc, Spectre had to absorb power from "everywhere", just to beat Nabu in DoV. This was such a violation of creation's proverbial 'ebb and flow', that even the Presence took notice and stuffed Spectre back into a host(which was Nabu's plan from the onset.)

That's really quite something when you think about it... Mucking with things to such an extent that the Presence itself was forced to directly intervene, I mean. Pretty crazy it required that much power to overcome Nabu, imo.

Very impressive.

Three-on-one isn't fair.

Vishanti stomp.

No, they wouldn't.

Nabu beats them casually.

Originally posted by abhilegend
No, they wouldn't.

Nabu beats them casually.

But, I'll tell ya what. If u feel like just ignoring all the fluff and feats of the Vishanti, and simply decide that the words printed in the DC books containing Nabu, are somehow more credible than the print in the Marvel books, that's fine with me.

As a matter of fact, I'm on YOUR side now! Im gonna contact the mods and request that, from now on, members who r engaged in debates, can simply decide that all info being presented by their opponents, simply doesnt count.

I really think u r onto something here! Think about it... Nobody ever has to lose again!

As a matter of fact, i have just decided that Nabu never battled the Spectre at all. See?? Now, i win too! This is great!!

Well, i will check back to see how this all works out.

Go get 'em!!

😆

The Lords and Order were the ones who created the multiverse, too.

Originally posted by Horrificus
that's a ridiculous statement. The attributes of the vishanti have been shown and noted in the books for decades. They protect all dimensions throughout the multiverse, governing all things magic.
They have the power to end universes, or to simply call the Living Tribunal to act on their judgement. They keep Elder Gods, Old Ones and Abstracts in line.

Uh, what? When did they ever destroyed universes?

Lord Chaos and Master Order govern magic throughout universe. Not Vishanti.

But, I'll tell ya what. If u feel like just ignoring all the fluff and feats of the Vishanti, and simply decide that the words printed in the DC books containing Nabu, are somehow more credible than the print in the Marvel books, that's fine with me.

As a matter of fact, I'm on YOUR side now! Im gonna contact the mods and request that, from now on, members who r engaged in debates, can simply decide that all info being presented by their opponents, simply doesnt count.

What evidence have you provided? Your words?

I really think u r onto something here! Think about it... Nobody ever has to lose again!

As a matter of fact, i have just decided that Nabu never battled the Spectre at all. See?? Now, i win too! This is great!!

Well, i will check back to see how this all works out.

Go get 'em!!

😆

Post feats of Vishanti if you are so upset with them losing.

Otherwise this is just a waste of time.

No, entertaining your hyperbole is a waste of time.
Its one thing to say one character wins, its another to tack on a deliberately bait-ish qualifier to provoke responses you can then turn into an argument.

Originally posted by Horrificus
that's a ridiculous statement. The attributes of the vishanti have been shown and noted in the books for decades. They protect all dimensions throughout the multiverse, governing all things magic.
They have the power to end universes, or to simply call the Living Tribunal to act on their judgement. They keep Elder Gods, Old Ones and Abstracts in line.

But, I'll tell ya what. If u feel like just ignoring all the fluff and feats of the Vishanti, and simply decide that the words printed in the DC books containing Nabu, are somehow more credible than the print in the Marvel books, that's fine with me.

As a matter of fact, I'm on YOUR side now! Im gonna contact the mods and request that, from now on, members who r engaged in debates, can simply decide that all info being presented by their opponents, simply doesnt count.

I really think u r onto something here! Think about it... Nobody ever has to lose again!

As a matter of fact, i have just decided that Nabu never battled the Spectre at all. See?? Now, i win too! This is great!!

Well, i will check back to see how this all works out.

Go get 'em!!

😆

You havent provided any "info" for anyone to dispute. Your statements are innacurate and unsupported by feats. The vishanti don't have any feats to support the most of what you've presented. In fact in almost every single appearance they have made we have seen them do no more than consult with a mystic or try to engage their help. On two occasions weve seen reference to their past explots mostly off panel. Conversely the Lords of Order AND Chos aligned to turn Nabu I to a lord of chaos exactly to prevent him from destroting the universe.

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Let's not forget that Kismet [i.e. DC's Eternity] was considered a Lord of Order, yet Nabu was stated to be the most powerful one.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Uh, what? When did they ever destroyed universes?

Lord Chaos and Master Order govern magic throughout universe. Not Vishanti.

What evidence have you provided? Your words?

Post feats of Vishanti if you are so upset with them losing.

Otherwise this is just a waste of time.

I simply laid out all the feats, statements and narrations for each opponent and dug in. Some of the info was to be taken at face value and some took some crossreferrencing and comparisons against former allies/foes.

In the end, the info for the Vishanti, whether proven or simply stated in the books, spoke of them being capable of higher end feats and swimming with higher level fish in a much vaster pond, with a lot more history, as well as interaction with more characters, character types and story influence.

But, for me, this isn't a fan-fueled debate. Hell abi, u have spent more time in here than i have. U probably know all of the stuff i posted better than i do.

Who wins? --yawn--... Doesn't matter to me. Im just pointing out the way the scales are tipping. U guys do whacha want. Look it up. Or not.

Originally posted by beatboks
You havent provided any "info" for anyone to dispute. Your statements are innacurate and unsupported by feats. The vishanti don't have any feats to support the most of what you've presented. In fact in almost every single appearance they have made we have seen them do no more than consult with a mystic or try to engage their help. On two occasions weve seen reference to their past explots mostly off panel. Conversely the Lords of Order AND Chos aligned to turn Nabu I to a lord of chaos exactly to prevent him from destroting the universe.

As i said before, whatever.

Whenever I see or hear the word "whatever" I think of that "United States of Whatever" song. As such you've devalued your argument by referencing that song.

Whatever, bran. srsly

Originally posted by Horrificus
dude, u should know better than that. The Vishanti is not one if my fan-favs and i dont really care who wins.

I simply laid out all the feats, statements and narrations for each opponent and dug in. Some of the info was to be taken at face value and some took some crossreferrencing and comparisons against former allies/foes.

In the end, the info for the Vishanti, whether proven or simply stated in the books, spoke of them being capable of higher end feats and swimming with higher level fish in a much vaster pond, with a lot more history, as well as interaction with more characters, character types and story influence.

But, for me, this isn't a fan-fueled debate. Hell abi, u have spent more time in here than i have. U probably know all of the stuff i posted better than i do.

Who wins? --yawn--... Doesn't matter to me. Im just pointing out the way the scales are tipping. U guys do whacha want. Look it up. Or not.

Yeah, whatever.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
Whenever I see or hear the word "whatever" I think of that "United States of Whatever" song. As such you've devalued your argument by referencing that song.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So you wouldn't post any feats and just want me to take on your words?

Yeah, whatever.

^^^It wont matter.

Anyhow, i personally wasnt sure how this would go.
Also, i thought Kismet was like the InBetweener, not Eternity, so thsts something new to know.

So, in the mean time, let's clear something up.
I am reading that a lot of the power Nabu will need to defeat the Vishanti. Is that correct?

Because, using those terms, the Vishanti simply summons the LT to do their bidding and they win that way.

And this exactly what would happen if the Vishanti were entering battle, since it has already been stated that they would destroy the universe if they release their power in combat. On panel.

Originally posted by Horrificus
So, in the mean time, let's clear something up.
I am reading that a lot of the power Nabu will need to defeat the Vishanti. Is that correct?

Because, using those terms, the Vishanti simply summons the LT to do their bidding and they win that way.

And this exactly what would happen if the Vishanti were entering battle, since it has already been stated that they would destroy the universe if they release their power in combat. On panel.

Ha, odd question from you. 😂