Loki vs Hulk

Originally posted by Surtur
But Loki actually can't put up a good fight against the Hulk. Powers or not, even with the scepter.

You surely can't think Loki could even take on Thor if Thor was actually being serious in the fight.

His scepted is capable if disintegrating Frost giants. His illusions are cpable of fooling Thor. You really think he won't put up a good fight against Hulk?

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Show proof of any of that and how frost giants are even remotely close to as durable as hulk who srugged off thousands of alien lasers and HB repulsor Fire.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
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Show proof of any of that and how frost giants are even remotely close to as durable as hulk who srugged off thousands of alien lasers.

He didn't shrug them off. He actually got pummeled. And are you implying that illusions won't work on Hulk?

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Originally posted by FrothByte
His scepted is capable if disintegrating Frost giants. His illusions are cpable of fooling Thor. You really think he won't put up a good fight against Hulk?

That was Gungir (Odin's spear) and not his scepter, dude. Although at the end of Thor 2, he might already be in ownership of this (need to rewatch it, tho).

He lost his scepter (w/c contained the mind gem) in Avengers 2 IIRC.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
That was Gungir (Odin's spear) and not his scepter, dude. Although at the end of Thor 2, he might already be in ownership of this (need to rewatch it, tho).

He lost his scepter (w/c contained the mind gem) in Avengers 2 IIRC.

Yes but since his scepter is already gone because mindstone is with Vision and he's currently sitting in Asgard's throne, it makes more sense to assign him Gungir.

It basically comes down to this: Loki is stronger then any normal person. He's not anywhere near Thor on a physical level. Thor easily defeats giant monsters, didn't get owned in 3 seconds by the Hulk, can cause massive amounts of destruction to his surroundings, etc. One of these people fought the Destroyer and the other is Loki.

Loki did "well" against Thor because Thor held back and also due to some trickery I suppose. He even shanks Thor, but it doesn't seem to do much. We saw how much damage Thor can do with a single strike when he tried to murder..er I mean when he tried to "subdue" Captain America with a hammer blow.

Thus any showing's Thor has against Hulk or..well anyone really don't tell us anything about Loki's own power levels.

Originally posted by FrothByte
His scepted is capable if disintegrating Frost giants. His illusions are cpable of fooling Thor. You really think he won't put up a good fight against Hulk?

Hulks stronger and tougher then a frost giant. Illusions only take you so far. I don't think he'll put up a good fight. He certainly couldn't put up a good physical fight.

Originally posted by FrothByte
His scepted is capable if disintegrating Frost giants. His illusions are cpable of fooling Thor. You really think he won't put up a good fight against Hulk?

Wrong. And it was not his "scepter"

That was Gungir a weapon equal to or above Thor's hammer.

Now Loki puts up a good fight according to froth.

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Originally posted by FrothByte
Yes but since his scepter is already gone because mindstone is with Vision and he's currently sitting in Asgard's throne, it makes more sense to assign him Gungir.

Just saying that Gungir is a spear, not a scepter.

Minor detail. Carry on. 😛

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Wrong. And it was not his "scepter"

That was Gungir a weapon equal to or above Thor's hammer.

Sorry my bad. His spear then.

Which Gungir isn't really a standard weapon for him either. He had it briefly at the end of one movie.

Originally posted by Surtur
Which Gungir isn't really a standard weapon for him either. He had it briefly at the end of one movie.

He might have it at the end of Thor 2, tho (IIRC) gonna rewatch the end again to be sure.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Sorry my bad. His spear then.

So which is it? He has Gungir or Chitari Weapon as standard equipment, hell might as well give him the casket too as standard equipment.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
So which is it? He has Gungir or Chitari Weapon as standard equipment, hell might as well give him the casket too as standard equipment.

We get latest versions unless specified. The scepter is already gone. Vision has the mind gem. Loki is last scene sitting in the throne of Asgard meaning he has Gungir.

My apologies for mixing that up. I'm debating this from the perspective that he has Gungir, not the mind stone scepter. Thus why I make no mention of psychologically controlling the Hulk.

So even if you didn't mean a good fight in h2h which we were clearly discussing as h2h between Thor and Hulk and you said since he is close to Thor and Thor is close to hulk you directly were implying that Loki could give hulk a fight in h2h. Clearly you either did only this or were vague on purpose so you had a way out cause you knew that would come back.

Now you are saying that's not what you meant, and if he does have whatever conjure of weapons you think he has, he puts up a good fight?

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
So even if you didn't mean a good fight in h2h which we were clearly discussing as h2h between Thor and Hulk and you said since he is close to Thor and Thor is close to hulk you directly were implying that Loki could give hulk a fight in h2h. Clearly you either did only this or were vague on purpose so you had a way out cause you knew that would come back.

Now you are saying that's not what you meant, and if he does have whatever conjure of weapons you think he has, he puts up a good fight?

No, I wasn't referring to a H2H fight between Hulk and Thor. I was referring to their fight, in which Thor eventually got hold of Mjolnir yes?

But to stop you from trolling me further, let me make myself clear then. I don't think Loki has a chance against Hulk in pure h2h. I thought I made that clear in my first post in this thread. What I do think is that Loki can give Hulk quite a good fight with his normal powerset and weapons. I don't think he'll win, but he'll definitely hurt Hulk and give him a good fight.

So if you want to continue this from a h2h perspective, go ahead. You'll hear no disagreement from me. But if we're talking about it from their standard gear, then we've got something.

Fine adding in whatever weapons you view as standard, how is it a good fight?

Ps. If I was then one thinking you meant h2h, sure say I am trolling you but others noticed the same thing that saw the same thing.

So I was not trolling you unless you think me and others were.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Fine adding in whatever weapons you view as standard, how is it a good fight?

Ps. If I was then one thinking you meant h2h, sure say I am trolling you but others noticed the same thing that saw the same thing.

So I was not trolling you unless you think me and others were.

Only one person other than yourself thought the same thing. Bottom line is, I said Loki gives Hulk a good fight. I never once mentioned that Loki gives Hulk a good fight in pure h2h. No one can be that stupid.

As for the weapons fight, here's why I think Loki puts up a fight:

Among all the Avengers, Thor has the best durability showings so far. Hulk may or may not be more durable (I'm inclined to think he's more durable) but the fact is they're pretty close in durability.

Loki's daggers easily penetrate Thor's armor and skin. Gungir is powerful enough to disintegrate frost giants and is usually seen as more powerful than Mjolnir. Though I don't think Gungir will disintegrate Hulk, I do know it will definitely hurt him. I also believe Loki's daggers will hurt Hulk as well.

Loki can always use illusions to keep Hulk running around, guessing, maybe even get him to jump off a building. And all the while Loki could just keep zapping him. After all, if Loki's illusions are capable of fooling Thor and Coulson, I don't see why he can't use it to fool Hulk.

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
Here. If you were intending to say Loki gives hulk a good fight will all of hsi powers you should have made it clear

Especially since his first reply in this thread clearly states Loki cant win in H2H.