Darth Nox & Darth Nyriss vs. Darth Vader & Darth Maul

Originally posted by Nephthys
I'm pretty sure you already know all of Nyriss' shit. She clobbered Meetra and Scourge and has a ton of sorcery she could throw at Vader to keep him on his toes. I never bought into the fanon bullshit that Meetra was weakened. She performed her best feats on a planet vastly darker than Dromund Kaas, don't paint her as some wilting flower. Nyriss kicks ass, end of story. If she can hit Vader with her charged up lightning he'd be in serious trouble.

EDIT: And as far as Meetra is concerned personally I see it as a gross misrepresentation of her character, and don't acknowledge continuity between her and KOTOR II. 🙂

ABC logic, dickbrain. Revan's tutaminis > Vader. You think he could pull off what Revan did? Hell no. And yes, Nyriss very much can contend with Vader in lightsaber combat. She tooled Meetra and Scourge despite being in the worst position, between two opponents with only one lightsaber. You think some pissant trandoshan can do better than her against Vader, like what happened in the comics recently? Naw, bro, naw.

Yeah, I ****ing hate it. But I don't debate fan headcanon's because if I did I'd just flip off the whole power hierarchy and start arguing Revan is Yoda level.

Hardly, Revan doesn't possess any innate talent in tutanimis, what he did was a display of raw power intended to demonstrate the disparity between their abilities. If Nyriss can't handle a Force user as powerful as Revan, she cannot handle Vader.

And as far as lightsaber ability is concerned, Scourge has above average ability (and its arguable his ability to draw on emotions would have been ineffective) and Meetra has no feats in the novel that put her above him. I'm serious when I say I don't acknowledge continuity with KOTOR II, because I see no reason to assume her KOTOR II dueling feats are applicable to the Drew's Meetra, when her Force feats clearly are not.

So we have Nyriss schooling two above-average duelists she's much faster than, cool, a Ventress-tier showing, if that.

You're putting the cart before the horse. That Revan pulled off that feat is indicative of immense ability with tutaminis. That lightning was powerful enough to vaporise a very powerful Force user even after having to shatter her force defenses. And Revan palmed that shit like it was piss-water. That's beyond anything Vader's capable of with defense. If you think all it indicates is raw power, then I guess Revan's raw power is just better than Vaders. And like I've said, Vader's gone round for round with people far below Nyriss. Has he ever destroyed someone on her level like Revan did? Pretty sure the answers no.

Lmao, why would Scourges ability be ineffective against a Sith who was fuming over getting royally ****ed over and being doomed? And frankly, I don't give a shit if you've decided to ignore certain parts of canon because you don't like them. I'm not actually trying to convince you here, I'm just giving you what you asked for. And since it has the backing of actual canon behind it, I think my reason should be good enough for you.

Ventress can contend with Vader in sabers, so nice that you agree with me. GG 2 EZ.

Originally posted by Nephthys
You're putting the cart before the horse. That Revan pulled off that feat is indicative of immense ability with tutaminis. That lightning was powerful enough to vaporise a very powerful Force user even after having to shatter her force defenses. And Revan palmed that shit like it was piss-water. That's beyond anything Vader's capable of with defense. If you think all it indicates is raw power, then I guess Revan's raw power is just better than Vaders. And like I've said, Vader's gone round for round with people far below Nyriss. Has he ever destroyed someone on her level like Revan did? Pretty sure the answers no.

How this makes Revan better than Vader I don't know, since Vader lacks comparable feats but matches Revan in all comparable respects.

And yes he has, Dooku, well before his prime, pushed his shit within 15 seconds as I recall. He may not be as mobile as he once was and had a form advantage but the former he makes up for in power, and the latter is irrelevant in the face of Nyriss having nothing on Dooku's skill - and with the nexus leveling the playing field, she doesn't even have his power. Girl is done. 🙂

As for these individuals Vader has gone "round and round with" name them, I can think of none.

Lmao, why would Scourges ability be ineffective against a Sith who was fuming over getting royally ****ed over and being doomed?

And without it he can't even handle a dozen patrol drones.

And frankly, I don't give a shit if you've decided to ignore certain parts of canon because you don't like them. I'm not actually trying to convince you here, I'm just giving you what you asked for. And since it has the backing of actual canon behind it, I think my reason should be good enough for you.

Ventress can contend with Vader in sabers, so nice that you agree with me. GG 2 EZ.

I have to.... prove continuity between KOTOR II and Revan?

What?

🙂 Do you surrender?

10/10 post Beni. Neph clearly has to prove that there is continuity between KOTOR II and the novel. 👆

Its pretty simple bro, Drew is not writing Meetra to be as powerful as she is in KOTOR II, there is no continuity between their abilities.

I'd say he was actually submitting to KOTOR's hype. You know, KOTOR wanked 2 things the most: Revan and hidden sith. The novel also wanks those two things.

Hell, according to KOTOR II, Vitiate's empire is the descendant of Sith who had multiple Nihilus level drainers, and was >>> KOTOR in dueling.

The novel doesn't portray all powerful gods that can solo the Republic in a day.

Neither do the sourcebooks that appear before said novel.

Also again, where is Nyriss beating Meetra solidly? She won physically not in skill or power, Meetra's defenses largely held regardless of Scourge's POV.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
The novel doesn't portray all powerful gods that can solo the Republic in a day.

Arguably it did show a Sith absolutely curbstomping someone who massacred Kreia, Sion and legions of Trayas Assassin's on a immensely powerful nexus + gravity well, after surviving a crash and fighting through storm beasts.

'Curbstomp'? No offense Neph but the only one who got 'stomped' was Scourge.

Freshest missing the point, and Neph wording it better than I do is my KMC usual now.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Arguably it did show a Sith absolutely curbstomping someone who massacred Kreia, Sion and legions of Trayas Assassin's on a immensely powerful nexus + gravity well, after surviving a crash and fighting through storm beasts.

Which is still very arguable, because in all three of Meetra's fights she is still suffering a week's worth of terrible conditions, starting with nearly losing her mind and very existence on Nathema and followed by four days of no sleep or sustenance before landing on a nexus that is stated to significantly diminish her connection to the light side of the Force.

Despite that she completely out-performs Scourge twice.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Which is still very arguable, because in all three of Meetra's fights she is still suffering a week's worth of terrible conditions, starting with nearly losing her mind and very existence on Nathema and followed by four days of no sleep or sustenance before landing on a nexus that is stated to significantly diminish her connection to the light side of the Force.

Despite that she completely out-performs Scourge twice.

It's called context Fresh.

Sure, but it's not what matters when you're trying to claim the Sith in TOR balls-to-the-wall gods.