Originally posted by carver9i think what carver is saying is this-
Lol...the point is going completely over your head. The power Leader gave him was enough power for Thor to believe he was at full power. His power was restored. He was throwing around lightning bolt and everything. Thor who has complete knowledge of his power level felt as if his power were restored. This is simple. Even though he was amplified by leader, he still felt as if he was as powerful as his true self, to the point of facing the Hulk when beforehand, he was crying because he didn't have his godly power to face the Hulk.Add in the fact that Warrior Madness doesn't have anything to do with power level, it's more focused on you being an Asgardian, yeah, amazing showing for the Hulk.
1. Thor usually contains X amount of power. Regardless of where it comes from. X is Thor at full power.
2. When being powered by the Leader, Thor was brought back up to X amount of power. Regardless of where the power came from, Thor's tank was "full". Not over, or under. Which is probably y it was stated on-panel. Just to say Thor was not over-amped, just brought back to "normal".
So, I thonk he is simply stating that Thor was, technically, at his normal power level, regardless of it's source.
Unless im wrong.
Originally posted by carver9
So what do we have here? Thor taps his hammer on the ground, thinking he got his FULL power back (ya know, the amp Leader gave him that felt identical to his true power), he rush out there to fight Hulk and does better than he usually does. So what happens next, he goes Warrior Madness. Thor is still Asgardian and what does Warrior Madness do for an Asgardian, it amps them. No way around this.Let's use another way for you to understand this. Let's say if Thor and Hulk fought but before hand, Hulk was powerless. Hulk before facing Thor is hit by a beam of radiation, different form of radiation. and screams out "MY POWER IS RESTORED". Him and Thor then clash, dialog tells us Hulk is as angry as ever...reached heights of anger he's never reach before. Am I suppose to believe that Hulk wasn't physically more powerful than ever due to him getting his power from another source?
Thor believed his powers were restored. Add in the fact that he went warrior Madness while having his power restored by another source (Leader), I feel sure that he was amped by the madness.
Listen up, ya dunder head. It doesn't matter what he said, it wasn't his power, do you really think some third rate loser like Leader is going to make Thor more powerful than a hybrid Elder God and Asgardian? Not likely. Remember when Thor was in this state of mind in Blood and Thunder with his power? What happened there?
He was phucking up teams of heralds.
Better than he usually does? That's cute. Thor has one shot Hulk twice, one with lightning, and once with a backhand.
Since you seem to know so much about the Warrior's Madness, then I'm sure you know that when one enters that state, the victim becomes so mentally broken that they can never come back from it. In fact when Thor was close to it, not even there mind you, it took almost everything Odin had to repair Thor's mind, it's not just some phucking goofy dragon ball shit where he can flip a 10x switch and that's that.
Originally posted by Horrificus
i think what carver is saying is this-1. Thor usually contains X amount of power. Regardless of where it comes from. X is Thor at full power.
2. When being powered by the Leader, Thor was brought back up to X amount of power. Regardless of where the power came from, Thor's tank was "full". Not over, or under. Which is probably y it was stated on-panel. Just to say Thor was not over-amped, just brought back to "normal".
So, I thonk he is simply stating that Thor was, technically, at his normal power level, regardless of it's source.
Unless im wrong.
Anyways... Just realized if this is true WM Thor w/BoS, it may be too much. I'm factoring Maj's speed advantage, but Thor does have beastly damage soak feats from cutting weaps.
The Kusars are sharp enough to cut Majestic, just by lightly touching his skin:
They can also block energy attacks:
http://i.imgur.com/l2RfZD7.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/7YBqO5u.jpg
...But that's neither here nor there.
Anyway, couple the sharpness of the Kusars, with Majestic's nanosecond perception/reaction speed + Superman-level strength:
http://i.imgur.com/KV6ItVE.jpg
And the blades are absolutely going to flay Thor like a hot knife through butter. Whether or not he'd be able to survive Majestic's initial salvo is another story... Especially if he blitzed with an attack akin to this:
I think he will be able to sustain damage then fend off even if Maj gets the jump on him due to superior speed. But when Thor connects(cue in his reaction feats 😛 ), a 20x amp as per the op is really hard to get around. And there's lightning omniblasts and charged strikes as I believe he won't go any more esoteric than that at an enraged state. Maybe a random wind attack? Maybe.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17Yeah, reading the OP again, I think the thread starter was under the impression that Majestic was 'amped' or somesuch when he rearranged the solar system. He wasn't. That's his standard level.
I think he will be able to sustain damage then fend off even if Maj gets the jump on him due to superior speed. But when Thor connects(cue in his reaction feats 😛 ), a 20x amp as per the op is really hard to get around. And there's lightning omniblasts and charged strikes as I believe he won't go any more esoteric than that at an enraged state. Maybe a random wind attack? Maybe.
Anyway, if Majestic goes into this battle knowing that Thor's strength is boosted by a factor of 20x, then I think he'd actually use his massive speed advantage to the best of his ability, and Thor would never connect. If Majestic doesn't know this going in, however, then Thor is more likely to land a strike... Which would, at the very least, KO him.
Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
Listen up, ya dunder head. It doesn't matter what he said, it wasn't his power, do you really think some third rate loser like Leader is going to make Thor more powerful than a hybrid Elder God and Asgardian? Not likely. Remember when Thor was in this state of mind in Blood and Thunder with his power? What happened there?He was phucking up teams of heralds.
Better than he usually does? That's cute. Thor has one shot Hulk twice, one with lightning, and once with a backhand.
Since you seem to know so much about the Warrior's Madness, then I'm sure you know that when one enters that state, the victim becomes so mentally broken that they can never come back from it. In fact when Thor was close to it, not even there mind you, it took almost everything Odin had to repair Thor's mind, it's not just some phucking goofy dragon ball shit where he can flip a 10x switch and that's that.
Lololol...Leader has created beings more powerful than Thor. I have no doubts he could replicate Thor power, hell, he did. To the point of Thor believing he was at full power. Like I said before, no denying this.
Lol...I don't understand why you brought up Thor surprise attacking Hulk with a lightning attack. I would love to see the backhand scan which doesn't matter in what we are talking about. Moments after the Hulk and Thor fight the same Hulk was called the most powerful being on the planet. Thor doing as good as he did he a praise to him.
He was in Warrior Madness per the narrator. Again, no denying this.
Originally posted by Galan007
Yeah, reading the OP again, I think the thread starter was under the impression that Majestic was 'amped' or somesuch when he rearranged the solar system. He wasn't. That's his standard level.Anyway, if Majestic goes into this battle knowing that Thor's strength is boosted by a factor of 20x, then I think he'd actually use his massive speed advantage to the best of his ability, and Thor would never connect. If Majestic doesn't know this going in, however, then Thor is more likely to land a strike... Which would, at the very least, KO him.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17We're talking theoreticals on both sides here. Thor has never entered 'true' Warrior Madness and donned his BoS, and Majestic has never faced an opponent as powerful as him before that he's needed to full-on speedblitz... But we know it's within his 'scope', due to the feats he has displayed.
He's not a speedster by comic book standards and does not go around moving at super speeds blitzing everyone, but I think he has the reaction feats to contend. Thor never being able to connect is a bit much.
Anyway, if Majestic uses his nanosecond perception/reaction speed, and blitzes Thor FTL with the Kusar Blades, then no, I highly doubt Thor would ever connect before his head were rolling around on the ground. WM Thor is far too brutish to think about doing more than trying to smash Majestic initially.
But again: if Thor does connect, it's game over for Majestros. No one this side of abstract is enduring strikes from Thor x20.
Originally posted by Galan007
We're talking theoreticals on both sides here. Thor has never entered 'true' Warrior Madness and donned his BoS, and Majestic has never faced an opponent as powerful as him before that he's needed to full-on speedblitz... But we know it's within his 'scope', due to the feats he has displayed.
Originally posted by Galan007
Anyway, if Majestic uses his nanosecond perception/reaction speed, and blitzes Thor FTL with the Kusar Blades, then no, I highly doubt Thor would ever connect before his head were rolling around on the ground. WM Thor is far too brutish to think about doing more than trying to smash Majestic initially.
Btw, what's Maj's best speed feats?
Originally posted by Galan007
But again: if Thor does connect, it's game over for Majestros. No one this side of abstract is enduring strikes from Thor x20.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17ha! I was actually going to touch on that myself, but u beat me to it.
I know exactly what he's saying. Imo it's faulty reasoning that's all.Anyways... Just realized if this is true WM Thor w/BoS, it may be too much. I'm factoring Maj's speed advantage, but Thor does have beastly damage soak feats from cutting weaps.
Thor's history against opponents with bladed or impaling attacks, is higher than any other character in his class.
Stabbings, slashings and even being bitten by Midgard Serpent, have never been able to register the way they should. This might be because he does not gave the same physical properties as other characters, due to his "godhood".
But i dont see any cutting or stabbing weapons making much of a difference. Even from Majestic.
Originally posted by Horrificus
ha! I was actually going to touch on that myself, but u beat me to it.Thor's history against opponents with bladed or impaling attacks, is higher than any other character in his class.
Stabbings, slashings and even being bitten by Midgard Serpent, have never been able to register the way they should. This might be because he does not gave the same physical properties as other characters, due to his "godhood".
But i dont see any cutting or stabbing weapons making much of a difference. Even from Majestic.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17i think it would take a decapitation, possibly, for a bladed weapon to help with a win.
Maj can actually take some because he is overall faster and those blades really should do a number on anybody. But not for a majority I think.
Thor has been sliced and stabbed wuth adamantium weapons, magical weapons and even bitten by huge teeth of Midgard Serpent.
Its a tough one.
