Originally posted by AncientPower
They also said Revan's potential was limitless, and Vitiate pwned him. Galen Marek wasn't as powerful as Vader, the trilogy concept for TFU had Vader destroying him in TFUIII.The only person who actually had unlimited potential was Anakin, but he never achieved that either.
We go by feats rather then unsubstantiated statements thank you.
Galen has superior feats to Vader and overwhelmed him with the Force in TFU.
In TFUII Vader also lost to the clone regardless of a voice actor's opinion or cutscenes in a game that contradict other game versions.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Like the game version where Vader destroyed Marek in TK? The actual point of this thread, and needed to use the environment to escape?
The Wii versions doesn't have Vader doing shit to Starkiller in TFUII and anything Vader managed to do in TFU was before Galen's prime.
"The actual point of this thread, and needed to use the environment to escape?" Eh?
LAL.
Starkiller needed to cheap-shot a Darth Vader that was holding back, to defeat him in TFU II---other than that, Vader telekinetically effected 'Killer twice, while the latter did only achieved that after amping himself with lightning a hitting a spot Juno already damaged earlier by catching him by surprise and praying on Vader's willingness not to kill him and playing possum.
Not to mention, multiple sources have said Vader didn't reach his peak until after those events, so whatever.
Originally posted by Deronn_solo
LAL.Starkiller needed to cheap-shot a Darth Vader that was holding back, to defeat him in TFU II---other than that, Vader telekinetically effected 'Killer twice, while the latter did only achieved that after amping himself with lightning a hitting a spot Juno already damaged earlier by catching him by surprise and praying on Vader's willingness not to kill him and playing possum.
Not to mention, multiple sources have said Vader didn't reach his peak until after those events, so whatever.
There's nothing that shows Vader holding back. Only the opinion of a voice actor which isn't supported by events in the novel.
Quote me when he affected Starkiller with TK when Starkiller was prepared.
That's fine simply going by feats however Galen is Vader's superior.
Originally posted by SyndicateIf you at their duel in the novel Vader has him beat twice, and a clear advantage throughout.
We go by feats rather then unsubstantiated statements thank you.Galen has superior feats to Vader and overwhelmed him with the Force in TFU.
In TFUII Vader also lost to the clone regardless of a voice actor's opinion or cutscenes in a game that contradict other game versions.
So Witwer's statements align with the text just fine. 👆
Originally posted by Syndicate
There's nothing that shows Vader holding back. Only the opinion of a voice actor which isn't supported by events in the novel.
Nice red herring. Starkiller directly said it himelf in the phucking novel that Vader was holding back and not trying to kill him. Read the actual material before trying to correct a God, son.
Starkiller found himself backed up almost to the edge of the cloning spire's roof. One more step, and he would fall, and to fall would give Vader the high ground. That might not result in his death, but it would certainly end the fight.It needed to end now, or else it might never end.
Blow after blow rained on him, forcing him back. There had to be a way to free himself and avenge Juno at the same time... but a stalemate seemed unavoidable. Any move he made was sure to lead him to an indefensible position.
Then it occurred to him. An indefensible position was exactly what he needed.
He lunged. Darth Vader saw him coming and swiped with unbearable strength, sending Starkiller's left lightsaber flying in pieces.
Starkiller lunged again, and his right lightsaber joined his left. He fell back, beaten, and stared up at his former Master."This is your last chance, " Vader said, standing over him with the unwavering tip of his lightsaber pointed directly at Starkiller's chest. Starkiller stared up at the black mask, sure of two things. Vader didn't want to kill him, but not out of mercy or sympathy for his lot.
The Dark Lord had invested far too much time and energy in re-creating his former apprentice, and he wouldn't want to throw all that away . Not when he seemed on the verge of victory.
--TFU II
Vader not wanting to kill Starkiller, even when he had him dead to rights is proof enough that he was in fact holding back.
Originally posted by Syndicate
Quote me when he affected Starkiller with TK when Starkiller was prepared.
He just lunged. Only at the very last moment did Vader raise his blade to block the blow, and even then the move seemed almost casual, disinterested. Starkiller struck again, with both lightsabers. Vader blocked one blade and used telekinesis to throw the other off target. The platform buckled and twisted, sending Starkiller flying.
Yeah, he was clearly prepared to get TK'ed that time around, and Vader still sent the **** packing like shipping mail.
Originally posted by Syndicate
That's fine simply going by feats however Galen is Vader's superior.
Originally posted by Syndicate
There's nothing that shows Vader holding back. Only the opinion of a voice actor which isn't supported by events in the novel.
http://www.swtor.com/community/showpost.php?p=8550447&postcount=5038
Originally posted by Deronn_soloNah. Vader collapsing a Cathedral while half-dead and while keeping himself alive via sheer willpower, and exerting a significant amount of power just to compensate for his busted life support system, on top of being a decade or two before he reached his peak and became a "far more formidable foe" is just as impressive as anything Galen had done.