Oliver Queen vs Daredevil (Netflix)

I've already given the disclaimer that I haven't completely finished. Despite that, what I have seen so far has been pretty damning, and I don't see any reason to discount it all together. Once I finish tonight, I'll weigh in on of the final 4 episodes really change anything. I don't see Matt getting some huge upgrade in skill and damage soak out of nowhere, so I doubt much will change.

I've also already stated that yes, he's probably one shotted some fodder, but he's also taken multiple hits to take out enemies too. Either thats highly inconsistent, or they just have glass jaws.

And even if he has one shotted a few goons, he definitely isn't going to take out Ollie with his hits. Ollies taken much worse, unlike Matt who was stomped in under a couple of hits from the Punisher and stomped twice by Nobu.

Originally posted by Arachnid1
I've also already stated that yes, he's probably one shotted some fodder, but he's also taken multiple hits to take out enemies too. Either thats highly inconsistent, or they just have glass jaws.

Or maybe some of them are just really tough? Like the Russian gangster thug from the first season who got shot, caught in an explosion, fell through multiple floors, yet could still pick up a gun and make a last stand?

Also, there have been instances in fights where Ollie has also taken multiple blows to take out opponents, even with his bow, so let's not pretend that Ollie always one-shots everyone. Hell, in recent times, he's had a lot of trouble with more skilled opponents, like Savage, Anarky etc.

And we actually get an objective feat of Matt's striking power in a later episode. He puts his armoured fist through a door, but doesn't just punch a hole in it, he actually punches a chunk of wood right out of it, and then casually tears through the rest of it. Nothing beyond the realms of human capability, but certainly not lightweight.

I still believe Ollie would take a majority, but Matt is being undersold here.

I will admit I find it harder to gauge Oliver currently, because those shows have dropped in quality and consistency. I mean the whole team Arrow get their asses beat by Savage, yet Savage seems to get his ass kicked by every person who has a go in Legends. Then Ollie has trouble with Anarky on multiple occasions, and even that special forces cop chick Lance had to talk down, yet stomps Malcolm during their encounter. Then some fights he drops HIVE members by barely touching them, and other times he needs multiple hits to drop them. It's sad, considering one of the reasons I picked up the show to begin with was the high quality fight scenes. It really has deteriorate terribly. Some of the fights look flat out amateurish nowadays.

I haven't stated anything about Ollies striking power yet. I actually believe him to probably be around the same level as DD in this area.

I just saying that DD does not have the offensive output to put down Ollie before Ollie outs him down. It's not my intention to undersell DD, he's a beast. Thing is, at this point, Oliie has held his own against super powered opponents on many occasions, tanking hits from Grundy, powered Deathstroke, blitzes from the Flash, and more. He also took out a ton of miricuri powered fodder, which I believe DD could do too, but with great struggle. When your show takes a turn into super power territory, your bound to rack up some great feats.

Now, DD is quicker/more agile and probably more skilled (flipping through ninja stars and what not), but not to the point where Ollie cant hit him. Just to the point where he will be dictating the majority of the fight, dancing around and getting most of the hits. Unfortunately, those hits wont do much to put down Ollie, whereas Ollies hits will damage him plenty. Ollie would just outlast him. Thats the only argument I'm trying to make here

Well, like I said, my problem is that I have a tough time figuring out just how good Ollie is nowadays, because the show has become horribly inconsistent. I would actually argue that peak Ollie is when he fought and killed Ra's, before he took a 6 month long holiday to go play suburban family with Felicity. Say what you will about the story quality of season 3, but at least the fighting wasn't all over the place like it is now. The "fighting" in the episode Constantine makes a guest appearance is especially shocking. Mostly looked like a bunch of drunken hobos flailing at each other when they were trying to apprehend Sara.

I think the degrading quality in fights might either be due to budget, new choreographer, or trying to compensate for Thea/Laurel's actors actively participating in fighting along with other one-off fighters in Arrow.

With that said The Oliver that fought Ra's could give Matt trouble and probably edge out a win even though Matt's feats are definitely more consistent.

Well, I believe Oliver at his peak takes the win here. And yeah, I regard that point as his peak. Not only had he just received extensive personal training from Ra's himself, he had a very dangerous mindset as well, and dropped his no killing rule for that fight. He took several months off after that, which probably didn't help keep his fighting skills fresh. Even if he kept in shape, it is not the same as actively fighting hostile opponents every night.

This week was another example of PIS fights in Arrow. Oliver should have been able to stomp Cupid quickly, without the need for any tricks. He beat the centuries old head of the LoS for f**** sake. But here we have a former cop turned crazy killer briefly holding her own against both Ollie and Thea simultaneously at one stage. No way I see her causing season 2 Daredevil any real issues, which just highlights how crap the Arrow show has become.