Cinematic Universes
DC and Fox's movie universes basically just started. Ones based on Transformers, Ghostbusters, Universal Monsters, Valiant and others are on the way as well.
How well do they think each will do?
Which could fail and which could succeed?
Will any come remotely close to matching Marvel's success?
They dont need to "catch" Marvel to be successful. They can be successful as long as they dont rush like if its some kind of a race.
As long as the studios making these movies take their time and get people to make these movies that care about the source material and characters, they should be fine.
The #1 movieverse killer in having a successful movie-verse is rushing.
You cant have your cake without putting in time and effort.
Also trying to make/force a cinematic universes just because Marvel had success with it or because thats the "in" thing to do is dumb.
Jumping on the hype train for quick cash out is just as bad as rushing.
Originally posted by Inhuman
I dont think any need to "catch" Marvel to be successful. They can be successful as long as they dont rush like if its some kind of race
Agreed. They need to stop trying to "catch up". And just focus on making good movies with different directors, and letting their shared Universe grow organically.
Originally posted by InhumanOf course not, but he asked that specific question. Also, "Catching" Marvel doesn't necessarily mean rush anyway. I take it to mean get a well loved franchise that makes tons of money. DC looks like it's at least on pace to get half of that atm. But, as you said, them rushing has really hurt them so far. They need to chill out a bit and focus on the CHARACTERS. That's the one thing that Marvel has done near perfectly. Their casting has been spot on and they take the time in their movies to make you care about the characters. Snyder doesn't do that; and it's why he needs to go.
They dont need to "catch" Marvel to be successful.
Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
Of course not, but he asked that specific question. Also, "Catching" Marvel doesn't necessarily mean rush anyway. I take it to mean get a well loved franchise that makes tons of money. DC looks like it's at least on pace to get half of that atm. But, as you said, them rushing has really hurt them so far. They need to chill out a bit and focus on the CHARACTERS. That's the one thing that Marvel has done near perfectly. Their casting has been spot on and they take the time in their movies to make you care about the characters. Snyder doesn't do that; and it's why he needs to go.
Yeah , forgot to add casting. I seriously dont know how or why some of the people in the DCU got cast in their roles.
People forget that even Marvel has had to can a few things. RDJ's cameo in The Incredible Hulk may as well not have happened for all the impact it had and they lost Norton before Avengers. They've also met with challenges of multiple hands on each property. For example, Thor didn't seem to interest Whedon so he gets shafted in the Avengers. AoU, despite not being a particularly great movie in my eyes, is fascinating to watch due to how it fits in the shared universe.
Marvel is not infallible but they are more aware of what makes crossover's work. Seeing Batfleck fight Supes isn't nearly as awesome as seeing IM vs Thor because we can't appreciate how different they are. They were both "made" by the same director in their first/second movies lol. Imagine if Freddy vs Jason was the second Friday the 13th film and a "pilot" for NoES. I mean who cares?
Marvel has only been successful because it has been patient and even if every single movie from here on out bombed(which I doubt) that patience has changed the landscape of cinema for a time. Which is endlessly impressive.
Originally posted by AuraAngelHardly. Marvel has been patient, yes; but that's FAR from the only reason they're successful. As I said, they focus more on the Characters than anything else. Everything from casting to letting the stories revolve around them in pretty much all their movies....It's why a story like Ant-Man works so well. Marvel makes you enjoy spending time with it's heroes. Everything else kinda falls into place after that.
Marvel has only been successful because it has been patient and even if every single movie from here on out bombed(which I doubt) that patience has changed the landscape of cinema for a time. Which is endlessly impressive.
The building blocks for the DCU (Batman and Superman) should have been handled with that same amount of care. They weren't. This is one reason fans aren't being as forgiving to this as they are some of Marvel's movies.
Originally posted by Inhuman
They dont need to "catch" Marvel to be successful. They can be successful as long as they dont rush like if its some kind of a race.
As long as the studios making these movies take their time and get people to make these movies that care about the source material and characters, they should be fine.The #1 movieverse killer in having a successful movie-verse is rushing.
You cant have your cake without putting in time and effort.Also trying to make/force a cinematic universes just because Marvel had success with it or because thats the "in" thing to do is dumb.
Jumping on the hype train for quick cash out is just as bad as rushing.
good words
Originally posted by Esau CairnNo, Thor has been shafted in every movie since Thor 1. He actually almost resembled the God of Thunder in his first solo outing. Since then, they've completely depowered him (with a few exceptions). He (along with Hulk) have the 2 biggest nerfs of anyone in the MCU.
Most likely he had other commitments & needed to be written out.It's not always as black & white as the director "hating" the character & deliberately giving him a minor part.