Iron Fist Vs. Batman

No powers or costumes, just skill, endurance, damage soak, speed and strength.

What about the use of chi?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
What about the use of chi?

No Chi

Pretty even, then... but I think Bruce would take him in the end.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Pretty even, then... but I think Bruce would take him in the end.

Interesting so, without exotic abilities as a baseline human, you consider Bruce the greatest DC/Marvel martial artist. Ignore Karate Kid as super Karate is a super power really.

Originally posted by Pretentious
(...) you consider Bruce the greatest DC/Marvel martial artist.

I never said that 😛

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I never said that 😛

Who else is a baseline human in Marvel and DC and you see beating Danny hand to hand with no gimmicks?

Shang-Chi, for example.

And from DC, I dunno... Richard Dragon or Bronze Tiger.

Constantine Drakon....was there ever an actual explanation for his feats?

Not that I know. And I asked some Drakon fans here.

Anyway, his inhuman speed counts as a gimmick, if you ask me...

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Shang-Chi, for example.

And from DC, I dunno... Richard Dragon or Bronze Tiger.

You think Shang is better? Surely The Cat is better than Shang?

Originally posted by Pretentious
You think Shang is better? Surely The Cat is better than Shang?

The Cat is Shang's equal, if anything. And has less showings.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Not that I know. And I asked some Drakon fans here.

Anyway, his inhuman speed counts as a gimmick, if you ask me...

I thought by gimmick, he meant like Midnighters PC.

Frank is another one I'd give good odds to against IF. Skill, Danny of course has him beat, but that damage soak....

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
The Cat is Shang's equal, if anything. And has less showings.

The first time they fought coming in cold, The Cat bested him soundly and the second time he had the upper hand.

@Saint

Frank is also strong and fast --- stronger than Black Widow (post-Red Room SSS reveal) and fast enough to get props from Wolverine.

Not to mention he avoided gunfire from Hood's group of enhanced goons at near point blank, when they tricked him into believing they're cops and he surrendered...

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I thought by gimmick, he meant like Midnighters PC.

Frank is another one I'd give good odds to against IF. Skill, Danny of course has him beat, but that damage soak....

I mean anything inhuman or enhanced. Frank, I think would put up a good fight but remember when not using the Iron Fist Danny beat Sabretooth who had cut him to ribbons. Danny has soak too.

Early Sabretooth.

Wolverine, without his healing factor, has beaten current Creed with his fists alone...

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Early Sabretooth.

Wolverine, without his healing factor, has beaten current Creed with his fists alone...

Wolverine has beaten Shang Chi with his fists alone.

Originally posted by Pretentious
I mean anything inhuman or enhanced. Frank, I think would put up a good fight but remember when not using the Iron Fist Danny beat Sabretooth who had cut him to ribbons. Danny has soak too.

Then Drakon, and Frank would both gibe good fights. Drakon could well win.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Then Drakon, and Frank would both gibe good fights. Drakon could well win.

I haven't read much with Drakon in. Tell me more, but we agree Frank is in with a shot.