Originally posted by deathslash
Do you mean Thor as in Jane foster or Thor as in odinson? Also, are we using the current new god shazam? Odinson probably wins, while foster probably loses more times than not.
There's not much feats from Shazam in Nu52 is often said but I disagree Prelude to Trinity Wars had Shazam do pretty well against Superman. During Trinity Wars he was doing well against various powerhouses Wonder Woman and Frankenstein though if wasn't much. During Forever Evil he showed he was strong enough to make Martian Manhunter bleed. During the Jessica Cruz stuff he took an explosion up close that was seen from space.
Futures End he didn't receive any amps to my knowledge and he was doing well against various powerhouses there as well.
Shazam as God of Gods should be more powerful in my personal opinion then either Thor just based on the fact he was able to break through the Source Wall as well as the Gods he's getting his powers from being suggested as more powerful well atleast the God he got strength from is said to be stronger then Hercules.
Originally posted by EcstaticGracemost of this is true, but I think that you matched up a slightly more formidable version of Thor against a fairly well nerfed shazam. After becoming the god of gods, shazam lost his ability to fly (a heavy loss of maneuverability) and IIRC he also lost his super speed (a heavy loss of one of his biggest advantages in this fight). He has a good amount of feats as normal shazam but doesn't have even half of them as the god of gods. So let's break it down and look at who has what advantages in this battle.
There's not much feats from Shazam in Nu52 is often said but I disagree Prelude to Trinity Wars had Shazam do pretty well against Superman. During Trinity Wars he was doing well against various powerhouses Wonder Woman and Frankenstein though if wasn't much. During Forever Evil he showed he was strong enough to make Martian Manhunter bleed. During the Jessica Cruz stuff he took an explosion up close that was seen from space.Futures End he didn't receive any amps to my knowledge and he was doing well against various powerhouses there as well.
Shazam as God of Gods should be more powerful in my personal opinion then either Thor just based on the fact he was able to break through the Source Wall as well as the Gods he's getting his powers from being suggested as more powerful well atleast the God he got strength from is said to be stronger then Hercules.
Range- about equal or with Thor having a slightly longer reach and faster striking ability (lightning travels faster than fire after all)
Durability- about even or maybe a slight edge to Billy
Strength- edge to Billy
Speed- again, how fast is Billy currently? I'll wait for abhi or some other poster to tell me before I judge that.
Pain tolerance- not even a question. Thor is far better at taking punishment.
H2h skill- again, not a question. Thor has been fighting for centuries and is a battle hardened warrior while Billy is an above average kid.
Weapons- Thor is the only one here with any weapon, and considering that it has cut through the destroyer armor and busted galactus' lip, it should do a number on billy.
Verdict- Thor 7-8/10 though Billy can make him work for it. This battle is basically like a normal heavy weight body builder fighting against a welterweight boxer that's also armed with an ax; sure the first guy is stronger, but it's only a matter of time before the more skilled combatant buries his ax in the other guy's abdomen.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWwolverine is dead. He's been replaced with his unsanctioned female clone who was also a prostitute and his sad sack of a future version of himself who was also such a dipshit that he killed all of his friends on accident. Suck it.
Thor gets downed with a single punch.
Originally posted by deathslash
most of this is true, but I think that you matched up a slightly more formidable version of Thor against a fairly well nerfed shazam. After becoming the god of gods, shazam lost his ability to fly (a heavy loss of maneuverability) and IIRC he also lost his super speed (a heavy loss of one of his biggest advantages in this fight). He has a good amount of feats as normal shazam but doesn't have even half of them as the god of gods. So let's break it down and look at who has what advantages in this battle.Range- about equal or with Thor having a slightly longer reach and faster striking ability (lightning travels faster than fire after all)
Durability- about even or maybe a slight edge to Billy
Strength- edge to Billy
Speed- again, how fast is Billy currently? I'll wait for abhi or some other poster to tell me before I judge that.
Pain tolerance- not even a question. Thor is far better at taking punishment.
H2h skill- again, not a question. Thor has been fighting for centuries and is a battle hardened warrior while Billy is an above average kid.
Weapons- Thor is the only one here with any weapon, and considering that it has cut through the destroyer armor and busted galactus' lip, it should do a number on billy.
Verdict- Thor 7-8/10 though Billy can make him work for it. This battle is basically like a normal heavy weight body builder fighting against a welterweight boxer that's also armed with an ax; sure the first guy is stronger, but it's only a matter of time before the more skilled combatant buries his ax in the other guy's abdomen.
Hulk can't fly and usually gives Thor trouble.. Shazam can still jump pretty far and has superspeed I'd really probably suggest he's stronger then both Hulk and Thor which we seem to agree on.
It's unquantifiable but Thor really if ever doesn't have many good reaction feats then again I'm not to knowledgeable on him.
Range:
Using Lightning as a range attack
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/4911621-justice+league-+the+darkseid+war+-+shazam+%282015%29+001-017.jpg
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Hulk can't fly and usually gives Thor trouble.. Shazam can still jump pretty far and has superspeed I'd really probably suggest he's stronger then both Hulk and Thor which we seem to agree on.It's unquantifiable but Thor really if ever doesn't have many good reaction feats then again I'm not to knowledgeable on him.
Range:
Using Lightning as a range attack
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/4911621-justice+league-+the+darkseid+war+-+shazam+%282015%29+001-017.jpg
Stronger than the Hulk? I don't think so. You do recall that the Hulk has vast dynamic strength right?
Originally posted by EcstaticGracethor actually has quite a few reaction feats. He's beaten down one of his opponents in a few microseconds, caught quicksilver, slapped away hyperion when he tried to blitz him, etc. I also recall one time where thor was attacking hermes and he was moving so fast that none of the other avengers could see him and it looked like thor was attacking the air.
Hulk can't fly and usually gives Thor trouble.. Shazam can still jump pretty far and has superspeed I'd really probably suggest he's stronger then both Hulk and Thor which we seem to agree on.It's unquantifiable but Thor really if ever doesn't have many good reaction feats then again I'm not to knowledgeable on him.
Range:
Using Lightning as a range attack
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/4911621-justice+league-+the+darkseid+war+-+shazam+%282015%29+001-017.jpg
Originally posted by Stoic
Stronger than the Hulk? I don't think so. You do recall that the Hulk has vast dynamic strength right?
I'm talking about base version of Hulks compared to Shazam. I don't see any of those versions at base being able to break through the source wall and it should take them awhile to get to that strength level.
Originally posted by deathslash
thor actually has quite a few reaction feats. He's beaten down one of his opponents in a few microseconds, caught quicksilver, slapped away hyperion when he tried to blitz him, etc. I also recall one time where thor was attacking hermes and he was moving so fast that none of the other avengers could see him and it looked like thor was attacking the air.
That's actually pretty good stuff alot of the sites I'm on usually bring up the Wolverine scan do you have any scans of him catching these guys at speed?
Originally posted by deathslashjust wondering, who were the other Avengers, when Thor went against Hermes?
thor actually has quite a few reaction feats. He's beaten down one of his opponents in a few microseconds, caught quicksilver, slapped away hyperion when he tried to blitz him, etc. I also recall one time where thor was attacking hermes and he was moving so fast that none of the other avengers could see him and it looked like thor was attacking the air.
And...
Can it be said that Thor is faster than Hyperion? Because, im pretty sure that if Hype's attack worked, it would get chalked up to Thor being slow and Hype having super-speed.
The way i see it.
Originally posted by Horrificuscaptain america, Monica rambue, she-hulk, and Dr druid. None of them even knew that hermes was there except for thor and they all thought that he was going crazy. Also, thor eventually caught up to him and took him down. Don't have the scans, but it was in avengers # 281.
just wondering, who were the other Avengers, when Thor went against Hermes?And...
Can it be said that Thor is faster than Hyperion? Because, im pretty sure that if Hype's attack worked, it would get chalked up to Thor being slow and Hype having super-speed.
The way i see it.
Hyperion is faster than him on average, but thor can and has reacted to people traveling around light speed.
Originally posted by deathslash
captain america, Monica rambue, she-hulk, and Dr druid. None of them even knew that hermes was there except for thor and they all thought that he was going crazy. Also, thor eventually caught up to him and took him down. Don't have the scans, but it was in avengers # 281.
That's not how it happened. It was stated that only someone with Godly perceptions could see Hermes at that point. Thor was unable to land any hits on Hermes who went to Olympus. Thor then travelled to Olympus and caught Hermes from behind. The only notable speedster Monica was in human form.
One issue later, Monica casually outsped Hermes and even chided to try to race her.
Hyperion is faster than him on average, but thor can and has reacted to people traveling around light speed.
Haha, no. That would be true if Hyperion was a speedster.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/8/87447/1694275-speed_demo_vs_hyperion.png
That's speed Demon owning Hyperion in speed. Outside of that one incident with Gladiator, hyperion has never been depicted as a proper Speedster.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Haha, no. That would be true if Hyperion was a speedster.http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/8/87447/1694275-speed_demo_vs_hyperion.png
That's speed Demon owning Hyperion in speed. Outside of that one incident with Gladiator, hyperion has never been depicted as a proper Speedster.
As for the Hyperion that Thor has encountered many times, he has shown superspeed on more than one occasion.
Originally posted by deathslash
wolverine is dead. He's been replaced with his unsanctioned female clone who was also a prostitute and his sad sack of a future version of himself who was also such a dipshit that he killed all of his friends on accident. Suck it.
jesus christ man, ****ing savage 😆 😆
also x men origins wolverine.
Originally posted by deathslash
captain america, Monica rambue, she-hulk, and Dr druid. None of them even knew that hermes was there except for thor and they all thought that he was going crazy. Also, thor eventually caught up to him and took him down. Don't have the scans, but it was in avengers # 281.
As to the thread, Thor wins. CM and the entire Fawcett Crew are failures.
