Originally posted by ILS
Sids > Green goblin > Talzin >>> everyone elseThat's just the way it is. Maybe Snoke and probably Luke will fit in somewhere among the top tiers. Vader will always be Sidious' pet doggy.
II can live with that, Vader was always a good dog in his bondage outfit for gay ole Sheev
Vader's resume:
Getting force pushed by Kanan and Ezra
Struggling against cyborgs
Struggling against a Grievous wannabe
Getting Force pushed yet again by someone who is "well below" him in the Force
Struggling against a 60 year old
Getting tagged by Luke who had like a month of training
Getting his ass kicked by Luke thoroughly
yeah but he beats yoda fo' sho 🙂
Originally posted by chilled monkey
Jensaarai1 summed it perfectly in his Yoda vs. Malek video. Yoda has the power and skill/precision, he just isn't as quick on the draw as others (at least when it comes to the big stuff).For example in his fight with Palpatine, the Sith Lord was chucking senate pods like they were weightless. Yoda had the power to respond in kind, he just couldn't gather that power quickly enough. He was only able to catch a pod and throw it back because Palpatine got overconfident and eased off the pressure (to Yoda's credit he had to throw the pod up which would have been harder as he had to work against gravity).
The same thin happens in AOTC when Dooku drops that pillar. Given time to gather his energy Yoda could move it easy, but since he didn't he struggled. Vader is less powerful than Yoda but he's able to gather his power more quickly.
That being said Yoda would ultimately prevail.
jensarry is just stupid. He's basing on Legends! feats and ignoring most of reference's book and statements. As I remember, he even stated that Plo koon would be closer to Vader in dueling skill then Yoda. That small piece of shit shouldn't be even quoted.
Dooku could lift several pillars, and had full control over it. Was he superior to Yoda in any aspect of TK? Not.
Sidious wasn't his superior either, he just had an advantage, it wasn't neutral ground. Sidious was in the heart of his new Empire and could summon hundreds of clone troopers to help him. He even used his and run tactic, as he tried to run away after Yoda Force pushed him.
When he was throwing pods at Yoda, he was on higher position. That wasresonable, that Yoda tried to evade them instead of catching them - he would have to fights Sidious and gravitation. And at the end, he was able to do even that.
And if we are talking about speed and reflexes - Yoda was more likely the fastest Jedi alive.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Reasons?
Vader was Force pushed by Kanan and Ezra?
Vader was Force pushed by Ahoska?
Vader was unable to take much benefits from his superior TK? He couldn't even break Ahsoka and Ben's guard?
He even couln't take a holocron from Ezra's hand?
Yoda overhelmed Dooku, stalemated Sidious and effortlessly dominated people of Ventress caliber (possibly Ben/Ahoska).
Originally posted by McP
jensarry is just stupid. He's basing on Legends! feats and ignoring most of refVader was Force pushed by Kanan and Ezra?
Vader was Force pushed by Ahoska?
Vader was unable to take much benefits from his superior TK? He couldn't even break Ahsoka and Ben's guard?
He even couln't take a holocron from Ezra's hand?Yoda overhelmed Dooku, stalemated Sidious and effortlessly dominated people of Ventress caliber (possibly Ben/Ahoska).
Originally posted by McP
jensarry is just stupid.
LOL. Jensaarai1 is a genius. His analyses of how vs. matches would most likely turn out are better than anything on this site. He was able to make a Vs. video for Lord Vindican when 99% of people here would have just gone "we don't know enough about him." That shows how brilliant he is.
Originally posted by McP
He's basing on Legends! feats
Legends! continuity is the best.
Originally posted by McP
and ignoring most of reference's book and statements.
Which is as it should be. He goes by the actual FACTS (i.e. what actually happens in the novels/comics etc.). Reference books and statements are mostly honk anyway. Suppose a reference book states that Nightwing is the 2nd best martial artist in DC comics. Does that mean we ignore the numerous times he's been beaten by supposedly lesser fighters? Likewise, so what if some bigshot makes a statement? It's more fun to think for yourself and make your own conclusions.
Originally posted by McP
As I remember, he even stated that Plo koon would be closer to Vader in dueling skill then Yoda. That small piece of shit shouldn't be even quoted.
I'm pretty sure he's never said that. If I'm mistaken then if it was in the "Vader vs. Yoda" video keep in mind he's since apologised for that and admitted he let bias get the best of him.
Originally posted by chilled monkey
I'm pretty sure he's never said that. If I'm mistaken then if it was in the "Vader vs. Yoda" video keep in mind he's since apologised for that and admitted he let bias get the best of him.
+Stormtrooper # 1138 In my mind, there is no way Palpatine could get through Kenobi's lightsaber defense. For all intents and purposes, all Palpatine is bringing on is an overwhelming quantity of attacks, which Kenobi has already proven that he can deal with.
His answer for a question: " Could Sidious penetrate Kenobi's master level Soresu defense through lightsaber skills only?"
It seems that he deleted that Yoda vs Vader vid. That doesn't change the fact, that he stated that Vader is Yoda's superior in dueling, while he declared Vader and Plo as more like equals.
He also stated somewhere, that Kenobi's Soresu was designed to deal with adversaries like Yoda, so Kenobi would be his superior in a duel.
Not to mention about THE SMOKE > Zannah, and his and his fellows video about Sidious, +his video "why Yoda isn't great". As I remember, he even stated that Malak would be troublesome enemy for Yoda. If he doesn't wont to be treat as a fool (as versus creator, not as a person), then he should delete at least half of his stupid videos.