By that time, Hero of Tython is already superior to Vader.
Even by then, HoT has bested Scourge after breaking through entire squads of Vitiate's defenders on his space station - he fought through immense numbers of Sith and their troopers, well above 80 in numbers.
Now, let's consider the fact that in Revan novel, Vitiate's mere presence amped his protectors - Imperial Guardsmen - to an extent so incredible, the accelerate Force flow prevented Revan from achieving devastating results with telekinetical attacks on non-sensitive Imperial Guardsmen. I see no reason to assume it was different here, but okay, that's just my speculation - let's not look at it. It's not even needed...
Even after all of this, HoT was capable of defeating Scourge - Scourge in his prime, who himself, 300 years before, could fight two of Guardsmen of such a level. This was novice Scourge, still learning about the Force from Nyriss and Revan. That novice Scourge defeated two Guardsmen of the Empire - Guardsmen that were so amped, they resisted TK attack from Revan himself... and, well, we are talking about a guy who can normally ragdoll someone on Satele Shan's tier along with two other Force wielders. Obviously Revan was a bit weakened there, but let's even say he was even two times weaker and in that state he could ragdoll Satele Shan only.
And the Guardsmen were so amped, they went from non-Sensitives at all to the ability of resisting a Force attack from a guy who can ragdoll fu*king Satele Shan.
I can't even start to think how their reflexes, speed, strength and stamina must have been amped. Force influence affects all of these along with natural Force defense coming from the Force's energy power within the people, as we all know. And Scourge still defeated two Guardsmen on that tier alone.
And that was Scourge who was still learning about the Force and had 300 years of practice.
And guess what? Hero of Tython, after breaking through half the space station full of Sith (that may even have been amped by Vitiate, as I noted) defeated Scourge. Simple as that. Kira Carsen's help can be dismissed, I believe - it quite obviously couldn't make up for clearing dozens of Sith on the way to Scourge...
I don't see how Darth Vader can win against Chapter 2 Hero of Tython. Talk about Force edge all you want, but that guy could already hold some resistance against Vitiate, and I don't think we need to talk about how many universes of power Vitiate is above Vader. Even if you don't buy it, HoT, a chapter later, could resist Vitiate's power long enough to cut him down with a saber. Sure, weakened Vitiate, but on a dark side nexus, after HoT had to break through literal armies of Sith and Vitiate's best protectors (I believe Vitiate isn't stupid and to be assigned as his guardsmen and protectors, you have to be pretty good). With a bit of thinking, I believe it's safe to say the gap between Chapter 2 HoT and Chapter 3 HoT isn't so large, that he wents from resisting Vitiate to being affected by Vader.
With HoT alone taking Vader, I don't see any chance for Rebels team. It's a slaughter, Ahsoka gets dogpiled by the other three, and even if you think they are just fodder, that's 3v1, and with HoT killing Vader Ahsoka can already suicide.
Team 2 10/10.
EDIT: Oh, and if it's prime Hero of Tython, not Chapter 2 (wasn't actually specified), he soloes with some initial difficulty. But after Ahsoka is dead, Vader gets stomped.
Originally posted by |King Joker|
Did you find Ahsoka Tano's performance against Darth Vader to be impressive, LeGenD?
However, I am not surprised. Her (first) showing in the TCW content (of holding a structure at bay) gave me the impression that she would become a powerful Force-user one day.
Originally posted by JKBart
By that time, Hero of Tython is already superior to Vader.Even by then, HoT has bested Scourge after breaking through entire squads of Vitiate's defenders on his space station - he fought through immense numbers of Sith and their troopers, well above 80 in numbers.
How is this that impressive? It's more a stamina feat than anything else. Vader takes on an entire batallion of Rebels surrounding him in one of the new comics.
Now, let's consider the fact that in Revan novel, Vitiate's mere presence amped his protectors - Imperial Guardsmen - to an extent so incredible, the accelerate Force flow prevented Revan from achieving devastating results with telekinetical attacks on non-sensitive Imperial Guardsmen.
You could say the same thing about Grievous. It's not super-impressive.
I can't even start to think how their reflexes, speed, strength and stamina must have been amped.
You're being pretty circular here - the fact that these guards couldn't defeat Revan Scourge is evidence that they're not as powerful as you think they are. Revan Scourge is an unremarkable sith lord who doubts his ability to stand a chance against dark council members and otherwise holds no particular prestige among the empire, besides apparently being better than his lightsaber instructors in the academy (meh - so what?). He was not anywhere near the level of, say, Obi Wan, who by Scourge's age was one of the greatest swordsmasters in galactic history.
I don't think we need to talk about how many universes of power Vitiate is above Vader.
I think we do. The difference might not be particularly large.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
How is this that impressive? It's more a stamina feat than anything else. Vader takes on an entire batallion of Rebels surrounding him in one of the new comics.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
You could say the same thing about Grievous. It's not super-impressive.
B/W General Grievous was absolutely vulnerable to Force powers. He just had plot-armor for storytelling purpose.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
You're being pretty circular here - the fact that these guards couldn't defeat Revan Scourge is evidence that they're not as powerful as you think they are. Revan Scourge is an unremarkable sith lord who doubts his ability to stand a chance against dark council members and otherwise holds no particular prestige among the empire, besides apparently being better than his lightsaber instructors in the academy (meh - so what?). He was not anywhere near the level of, say, Obi Wan, who by Scourge's age was one of the greatest swordsmasters in galactic history.
Standing up to Dark Council members is not something we can expect from every Sith out there. The Dark Council members became as such due to solid reasons in the first place. They are typically among the best of the best.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
I think we do. The difference might not be particularly large.
Valkorion absolutely trumps Darth Vader in power and showings.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDNope, its because they are fearless scrubs. 🙂
The Strike Team led by Tol Braga is really underestimated irrespective of the statements to the contrary. Since Vitiate defeated it, every well-known character would as well. 🙄Next would be Grievous soloing this Strike Team. Just wait...
Originally posted by Col. Valerian
In that case, they also thought some scrubs (with the exception of Mace) were good enough to arrest Palpatine...
Thing is, there's nothing suggesting that Fisto, Tiin or Kolar are bad.
Warren Sedoru calls himself past his prime, and out of practice. Leeha wasn't even a master, and a ****ing nut job tbh. Was only brought onto the squad because of her knowledge regarding Stealth technology.
The entire strike team was chosen because they brought routes into the station, not for fighting Vitiate. Barring the HoT of course.
On the other side, Mace took the greatest warriors he had available to him to face Palpatine. The only outside factor was leaving one council member to defend the temple should they fail...