Valkorion vs Team (yes I'm serious)

Started by FreshestSlice3 pages

Originally posted by Tondemonai
The Dread Masters together were inferior to SWTOR Vitiate, who was considerably weaker than Valkorion.

Pretty much the exact opposite was said.

Revan was stated in SoR to stand no chance against Vitiate. Add in Arcann, who resisted his fathers power when not only weakened but channeling his power through an extremely inferior vessel.

The fact that the Outlander was hurt probably has nothing to do with being an inferior vessel.

@Ellimist, the forum's general estimation of Valkorion's power.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Pretty much the exact opposite was said.

IIRC, they said that the only person in the galaxy strong enough to earn or was worth their devotion was Vitiate.

Vitiate is more powerful than Valkorion.

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Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
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Valkorion is weakened, where as nowhere is he said to be stronger. Tond, much like Neph, is using his opinion instead of actual evidence.

Sure, Spirit!Valkorion is weakened, but there's really no evidence that living!Valkorion was weakened.

There's no evidence he was stronger either. There's also the fact that Vaylin wasn't a very vegetable.

Ziost is arguably evidence that Valkorion would be stronger than Vitiate. Or as some would say, feats are the evidence. And Valkorion probably felt no need after she unleashed her violent tendencies.

Spirit Valkorion is weakened, yes, but I wouldn't put him so far down as to say he's back to his SWTOR level of power. Pre physical death is his strongest incarnation by far. Implying that his Ziost consumption didn't put him on a higher level than ever before, given that Ziost was a far stronger DS nexus than Nathema, is retarded.

Again, you have legit zero proof that he was stronger at the start of KotFE. That's your opinion based on nothing. The Force also isn't dead on Ziost, so what exactly is your point?

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Ziost is arguably evidence that Valkorion would be stronger than Vitiate. Or as some would say, feats are the evidence. And Valkorion probably felt no need after she unleashed her violent tendencies.

It's not. Ziost was stated to have "revitalized him." As in it was him getting back to speed. Nothing more. And Valkorion sealed her power specifically to stop those violent tendencies.

Valkorion gives the vibe of being the most powerful incarnation because he have accomplished his life-long objective: absolute immortality.

Valkorion asserts that he does not depends upon corporeal vessels to function and affect his surroundings anymore. Yes, we witnessed this fact on Ziost as well. However, Valkorion is demonstrating powers, even in strictly conventional terms, that we have not witnessed before.

The above being said, Valkorion is equal to his earlier Ziost based incarnation in raw power at minimum. However, Valkorion's power may also fluctuate depending upon the circumstances. Arcann noticed this.

But the story is progressing so we don't know for sure...

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
It's not. Ziost was stated to have "revitalized him." As in it was him getting back to speed. Nothing more. And Valkorion sealed her power specifically to stop those violent tendencies.

Which at worst implies parity as opposed to inferiority. Not only that, but the fact that Valkorion was actually able to do shit as a spirit, (as opposed to Vitshit hiding for a year,) marks him as a superior individual tbh. And once those violent tendencies were unleashed upon his death at the hands of the hero, he probably felt it useless, maybe even impossible, to curb her tendencies anymore.

Vitiate wasn't hiding for a year, lel. The devs timeline for events is pretty short actually. 3-12, for instance, in KotFE is like a month. FA, SoR, and Ziost is a few months at best. And most of what he does as a spirit are things he's completely capable of during RotE. Like TK and Lightning.

That would imply his power weakening, not that I have an opinion either way. The point is, he's never once stated to be stronger.

When as a spirit did RotE Vitiate display TK and force blast, Kek

As well you shouldn't. It'd put a chink in Valkorion's "> Sidious" armor.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
When as a spirit did RotE Vitiate display TK and force blast, Kek

I said things he was capable of. Apparently he can warp the surface of a planet, and shake Yavin, so simple TK isn't really out of the question.

As well you shouldn't. It'd put a chink in Valkorion's "> Sidious" armor.

Vitiate has been Valkorion longer than the game has been taking place. Centuries longer. Anything that would have made him great would have happened well before Tempest's hair splitting would matter.

This is actually a pretty interesting line of reasoning. All the more reason to put Vitiate above Sidious. 🙂

IIRC, Valkorion stated in chapter 2 that "Ziost changed everything," and something along the lines of saying that the events on Ziost made him "truly immortal." Ipersonally can't see him becoming "truly immortal" and yet being either on par or weaker than his previous incarnations.

No, he said the events of Ziost opened his eyes to the fact that he was already immortal. Which he was.